For All Hands: This was proven false about 2 months or so ago; Clinton may
or may not go to SEA, but the colors aboard U.S. warships will still not be
dipped for anyone, especially Vietnam or China.
R. S. Rayfield, Jr.
Major USMC (Ret)
Wash DC
-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN SEIDTS [mailto:john@astory.com]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 12:09 PM
To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
Subject: [MV] Long, but should be read by every red-blooded American
I don't know if this has made it to the list, or if it is bogus or not, but
here it is for the list to digest. There are enough references for somebody
else to check out it's validity, but I am just not going to take the time to
further find out about our Commander in Chief- I know enough already....
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Goldsberry <gunner44@erols.com>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Date: Friday, November 10, 2000 7:38 AM
Subject: [vintage-and-warbirds] Long, but should be read by every
red-blooded American
> President Clinton reportedly plans to visit China and Vietnam before the
> end of his term, and, according to high-ranking Navy officers, the
> commander in chief will alter long-standing naval regulations to allow
> the American flag to fly below that of Vietnam when he sails into the
> communist nation's territorial waters on a US Navy ship.
>
> Highly placed Navy sources who spoke on condition of anonymity believe
> this action on the president's part would further devastate already
> tenuous Navy morale.
>
> As part of his swan song, Clinton reportedly intends to visit two ports
> aboard Naval vessels.
> Trip one takes him to the People's Republic of China, which has a
> regulation that no war ship of any country may enter its territorial
> waters flying a flag higher than that of the People's Republic of China.
>
> According to one Navy source, China and the US have effected a
> compromise whereby both flags-the US and the PRC-will be flown from US
> naval vessels at the same height. But visceral outrage is resulting
> from a proposed change to Navy regulations that would result in the
> American flag being displayed subordinate to the flag of Vietnam.
>
> Navy regulations and tradition prescribe that no country's flag will be
> displayed in a superior position to the US flag.
>
> However, Vietnam's rules reportedly demand that the Vietnamese flag
> shall always fly in a superior position to any other country's flag.
>
> High-ranking naval officers, speaking on condition that their names not
> be published, say the reason for all the alarm, anger and
> career-threatening rhetoric is that Clinton allegedly has either
> ordered, or is about to order, the secretary of the Navy to amend
> regulations to permit the Vietnamese flag to be displayed over the US
> flag.
>
> "I'd like to blow the @#&*% thing up!" said one frustrated officer.
>
> The United States Navy Regulations began with the enactment by the
> Continental Congress of the "Rules for the Regulation of the Navy of the
> United Colonies" on Nov. 28, 1775. Just 18 days after they founded
> the United States Marine Corps.
> So a long and proud history bolsters the long-held Navy tradition that
> no country's flag will fly higher than that of the United States.
>
> Commenting on the report, Col. David Hackworth, America's most
> decorated living war veteran, said, "What's new? Clinton has done
> everything else to dishonor the flag, why not make it number two?" He
> added, "Congress ought to pull this traitor's travel plug ... now."
>
> Calls to the Navy Staff Operations and Special Events office were
> referred to the Public Affairs Office, which then referred WND to the
> news desk. When WND outlined the scenario, the spokesman-whose first
> comment was,"Wow" -- later called back to say, "We haven't been able to
> find anything on it yet, but we're trying to run the story to ground."
>
> Adm.Thomas B. Fargo, commander in chief of the US Pacific Fleet,
> reportedly has visited the People's Republic of China recently also,
> although the reason for the trip is not known.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> NOTE: Some of you may wonder what the fuss is about, but please remember
> that the Navy prides itself on honor and tradition. The Naval
> Officers are not being "childish and petty" when they speak out against
> this.
>
> Morale is at an all-time low, and military commands do not need to once
> again be berated for their job.
>
> How does this "slap in the face" decision fall under the power(s) of the
> Commander in Chief?
>
> It reminds me of when Hillary ordered that uniforms not be worn by the
> White House in-house Marines. This order still stands, if you visit
> the White House today, 8 yrs. later.
> What used to be a sought-after, privileged job, is now seen as a tour of
> punishment by these young Marines who stand around in civilian clothes.
> They not only lost their uniform but their self-esteem to be seen in the
> uniform they are asked to defend.
>
> How much more can the people that are asked to defend our freedom
> take?
>
> The crews on the Navy ships leave their families and loved ones behind
> more than 6 months at a time.
> Everything possible should be done to praise and encourage them for
> their dedication!
>
> Clinton will enjoy his boat ride for a few hours and never look back to
> see the eyes of the men and women who serve our country.
> Just as the Clinton Administration will never look back at the damage
> that has been done to our Military and to this Nation.
>
> Please forward this information to your E-mail list.. It is being
> blocked by all major news media.
>
>
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