Geoff,
Thankyou very much for your prompt reply. Am sharing your ans with LTC
Robert Zimmerman of Soldiers for the Truth and the military vehicle list
composed of people who preserve military vehicles (hobby) - both of which I
had been in contact with on this matter.
Thanks again!
Stew
-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Metcalf [mailto:geoff@geoffmetcalf.com]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 12:09 PM
To: Rayfield, Robert S Jr Mr DUSA-IA/ANTEON
Subject: Re: rumor on clintons last blow
Stew,
The story is/was true. Indications are the attention brought to bear had
scared
them off and the flag flap may be moot.
However, attached is the body of work on this issue.
Unpublished (yet) and largely because of the neverendingstory of the
election,
is the potential for congressional action and/or potential legislation to
preclude the future threat of something like this.
Best,
--Geoff Metcalf
"Rayfield, Robert S Jr Mr DUSA-IA/ANTEON" wrote:
> Mr. Metcalf,
> Got your name off of a forwarded email about an article you wrote about
> Clinton going to Vietnam aboard a U.S. Navy warship, that he was going to
> order the Navy to change Navy regs to allow for a foreign flag to be flown
> above the U.S. flag on a U.S. warship (the U.S. warship that he would be
> travelling on) when visiting the foriegn ports in China and Vietnam.
> Can you confirm this as a true story, is it really being suppressed by the
> major media??
>
> Thanks -
> Stew Rayfield
> Maj USMC (Ret)
> Wash DC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Newton, Murray [mailto:NewtonM@koll.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 8:14 AM
> To: 'Bill Haley'; 'Bill Sanders'; 'Bob Roberts'; 'Byron Compton'; 'Dan
> Weber'; Danny James Cobb (E-mail); David A. Corbin (E-mail); David Jack
> Skinner (E-mail); David Kaspar (E-mail); 'David Speich'; 'Eddie McBride';
> 'James Anthony'; 'Jerry Britsch'; 'Jerry Nickerson'; 'John Ellis'; 'Joe
> Young'; 'Louie Gohmert'; 'M. Webb'; 'Mike O'Neal'; 'Ron Depin'; 'Scott
> Craig'; 'Steve Sykes'; 'Stew Rayfield'; 'Stuart Scarborough'; 'Terry
> Rathert'; 'Tony Pelletier'; 'Wade Cockburn'; 'Wyatt Norman'
> Subject: FW: rumor on clintons last blow
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Turner [mailto:mturner@wans.net]
> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 8:38 AM
> To: Tom Turner; Murray Newton; Mark Richardson; Gordan Loomis; Barry Winn;
> Murray Newton
> Subject: FW: rumor on clintons last blow
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rudolph Bernhard [mailto:bernhard@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 8:59 PM
> To: Mike Turner
> Subject: rumor on clintons last blow
>
>
>
> > I couldn't verify whether this story is true or not. I went to
> > " www.truthorfiction.com <http://www.truthorfiction.com> " to try to
> verify but couldn't get an answer.
> >
> > I feel like passing it along anyway because it wouldn't surprise me if
> > it is/was true.
> >
> Bill
>
> >> Please read this entire sorry story. Once again the military are DISSED
> >by
> >> the biggest draft dodger of all time.
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 6:59 PM
> >> Subject: (no subject)
> >>
> >>
> Subject: Major Media Blocking Clinton Story
> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 02:05:23 -0400
>
> American Flag Dips to Vietnam, China?
> Naval Officers Claim Clinton to Change Regulation to Placate
>
> Totalitarian
> Regimes
> By Geoff Metcalf
> =A9 2000 WorldNetDaily.com
>
> President Clinton reportedly plans to visit China and Vietnam before the
> end
> of his term, and, according to high-ranking Navy officers, the commander
>
> in-chief will alter long-standing naval regulations to allow the
> American
> flag to fly below that of Vietnam when he sails into the communist
> nation's
> metcalfksfo@earthlink.net <mailto:metcalfksfo@earthlink.net>
> metcalfksfo@earthlink.netmetcalfksfo@earthlink.netterritorial waters on a
> U.S. Navy ship. Highly placed Navy sources who
> >> > spoke on condition of anonymity believe this action on the
president's
> >> > part
> >> > would further devastate already tenuous Navy morale.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As part of his swan song, Clinton reportedly intends to visit two
ports
> >> > aboard Naval vessels. Trip one takes him to the People's Republic of
> >> > China,
> >> > which has a regulation that no war ship of any country may enter its
> >> > territorial waters flying a flag higher than that of the People's
> >> > Republic
> >> > of China. According to one Navy source, China and the U.S. have
> >> > effected a
> >> > compromise whereby both flags-the U.S. and the PRC-will be flown from
> >> > U.S.
> >> > naval vessels at the same height.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > But visceral outrage is resulting from a proposed change to Navy
> >> > regulations
> >> > that would result in the American flag being displayed subordinate to
> >> > the
> >> > flag of Vietnam. Navy regulations and tradition prescribe that no
> >> > country's
> >> > flag will be displayed in a superior position to the U.S. flag.
> >> > However,
> >> > Vietnam's rules reportedly demand that the Vietnamese flag shall
always
> >> > fly
> >> > in a superior position to any other country's flag. High-ranking
naval
> >> > officers, speaking on condition that their names not be published,
say
> >> > the
> >> > reason for all the alarm, anger and career-threatening rhetoric is
that
> >> > Clinton allegedly has either ordered, or is about to order, the
> >> > secretary of
> >> > the Navy to amend regulations to permit the Vietnamese flag to be
> >> > displayed
> >> > over the U.S. flag.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "I'd like to blow the @#&*% thing up!" said one frustrated officer.
The
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > United States Navy Regulations began with the enactment by the
> >> > Continental
> >> > Congress of the "Rules for the Regulation of the Navy of the United
> >> > Colonies" on Nov. 28, 1775. So a long and proud history bolsters the
> >> > long-held Navy tradition that no country's flag will fly higher than
> >> > that of
> >> > the United States.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Commenting on the report, Col. David Hackworth, America's most
> decorated
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > living war veteran, said, "What's new? Clinton has done everything
else
> >> > to
> >> > dishonor the flag, why not make it number two?" He added, "Congress
> >> > ought
> >> > to pull this traitor's travel plug - now."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Calls to the Navy Staff Operations and Special Events office were
> >> > referred
> >> > to the Public Affairs Office, which then referred WND to the news
desk.
> >> > When WND outlined the scenario, the spokesman - whose first comment
> was,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Wow" - later called back to say, "We haven't been able to find
> anything
> >> > on
> >> > it yet, but we're trying to run the story to ground."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Adm. Thomas B. Fargo, commander in chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet,
> >> > reportedly has visited the People's Republic of China recently also,
> >> > although the reason for the trip is not known.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > NOTE:
> >> > Some of you may wonder what the fuss is about, but please remember
that
> >> > the
> >> > Navy prides itself on honor and tradition. The Naval Officers are not
> >> > being
> >> > "childish and petty" when they speak out against this. Morale is at
an
> >> > all-time low, and military commands do not need to once again be
> berated
> >> > for
> >> > their job.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > How does this "slap in the face" decision fall under the power(s) of
> the
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Commander in Chief? It reminds me of when Hillary ordered that
uniforms
> >> > not
> >> > be worn by the White House in-house Marines. This order still stands,
> >> > if
> >> > you visit the White House today, 8 yrs. later. What used to be a
> >> > sought-after, privileged job, is now seen as a tour of punishment by
> >> > these
> >> > young Marines who stand around in civilian clothes. They not only
lost
> >> > their uniform but their self-esteem to be seen in the uniform they
are
> >> > asked
> >> > to defend.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > How much more can the people that are asked to defend our freedom
take?
> >> > The
> >> > crews on the Navy ships leave their families and loved ones behind
more
> >> > than
> >> > 6 months at a time. Everything possible should be done to praise and
> >> > encourage them for their dedication! Clinton will enjoy his boat ride
> >> > for a
> >> > few hours and never look back to see the eyes of the men and women
who
> >> > serve
> >> > our country. Just as the Clinton Administration will never look back
at
> >> > the
> >> > damage that has been done to our Military and to this Nation.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Please forward this information to your E-Mail list.. It is being
> >> > blocked
> >> > by all major news media.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > (Would this surprise anyone????)
> >>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
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