John Hutterer wrote:
>
> Stuart,
>
> I couldn't agree more!! If I want to read about politics, I'll either grab a
> newspaper or join a List that specializes in the subject. I read this List
> to find out about HMV's. By the way, why does the person who posted that
> item believe that every member of this List wants Bush to win? I'm not
> saying how I voted, but it seems as though he's making quite an assumption.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Ellis [mailto:stuellis@mediaone.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:24 AM
> To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
> Subject: Re: [MV] Election Solution
>
> Why is political junk being posted to this list? This is against all the
> rules. So anyone can post any subject they want? Is that how it works
> now?
> It has been my mistaken belief that everyone agreed to follow the rules to
> be part of this list. Maybe we should change the list name to MV's and
> Politics.
>
> Stuart J. Ellis
> East Coast Sales Manager
> Intraco USA
> Web Site: www.intraco.com.sg
> Phone: 603-437-1392 Fax: 603-437-6046
>
> Notice :- This message (including all attachments) contain privileged &
> confidential information and is subject to the disclaimer notice as set out
> at http://www.intraco.com.sg/disclaim_official.htm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RKiser8375@aol.com>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:06 AM
> Subject: [MV] Election Solution
>
> > > Herewith is some practical advice on action that every citizen can take
> > > in the event that the Florida recount confirms the election of George
> > > Bush, but Al Gore fails to concede.
> > >
> > > We all know what is going on in Florida, and that the election hinges
> > on
> > > the outcome. I am writing you today to prepare us all for what we
> > > consider doing if what I think is going to happen actually does. The
> > > recount, which will be finished by 5 p.m. Thursday or Friday, will
> > > likely show Bush to be the winner once again, with only a few thousand
> > > overseas ballots to be counted. Those ballots will be overwhelmingly
> > for
> > > Bush, a minimum of 60% and probably closer to 75% if history repeats
> > > itself. If the count goes this way, the Republicans have won this
> > > election.
> > >
> > > This is when something critical happens. Either Gore bows out
> > gracefully
> > > or he doesn't, and it appears that he won't. These are people wedded to
> > > power who will only go down kicking and screaming. They will use every
> > > legal maneuver in the book to steal the election. (In 1960, when
> > Richard
> > > Nixon had every right and reason to challenge the election results he
> > > didn't for the sake of the country. Expect no such noble behavior this
> > > time.) What will they try? One bet is to find a friendly judge to
> > throw
> > > out the Florida results on a flimsy premise. They are already floating
> > > this as a trial balloon in the form of the allegedly "confusing"
> > ballots
> > > in Palm Beach County. I have seen the ballots - they are not
> > confusing
> > > in the least. Indeed, they are identical in form to the punch-card
> > > ballots used in Chicago and Cook County, Illinois, in this very
> > > election. What's more, it is just as likely that Palm Beach County
> > > voters who wanted to vote for Bush inadvertently voted for Nader. All
> > > parties approved the form of ballot before the election. The
> > > form-of-ballot issue is a mere pretext for an effort a judicial
> > > invalidation of the Florida election.
> > >
> > > While I hope this scenario doesn't come to pass, I fear that it will,
> > > and it will only have disastrous results for the country. The election
> > > fight could drag on for months and actually be decided by a court! If
> > > this comes to pass the vision of our Founders and the blood of patriots
> > > will have been betrayed.
> > >
> > > Personally, I don't intend to stand for this, and I hope you won't
> > > either. The good news is that we are not without voice.
> > >
> > > HERE IS WHAT MUST BE DONE: if the vote count affirms Bush's election,
> > we
> > > allow a short grace period to see the reaction of the Gore camp. If
> > they
> > > have not graciously conceded after a few hours, we must bombard the
> > news
> > > media and our public officials AT EVERY LEVEL with phone calls of
> > > outrage that demand Gore's concession. I mean literally millions of
> > > phone calls. We must jam their phone banks with calls. There are
> > > millions of us so it shouldn't be too difficult. (While you're at it,
> > > send e-mails to your local newspapers as well.)
> > >
> > > If it becomes widely reported - and it will - that there is a
> > > groundswell demanding that Gore back down and not embarrass the
> > country,
> > > it will be very difficult for Gore to withstand the pressure. He will
> > > have to relent.
> > >
> > > Here are some places to start:
> > >
> > > The White House:
> > > telephone (202) 456-4114
> > > FAX:(202)456-2461
> > > e-mail: president@whitehouse.gov <mailto:president@whitehouse.gov>
> > >
> > > The Vice President's Office:
> > > telephone:(202) 274-5000
> > > FAX:(202) 456-2883
> > > e-mail: vice.president@whitehouse.gov
> > > <mailto:vice.president@whitehouse.gov>
> > >
> > > Vice President's Senate Office: telephone: (202) 224-2424
> > >
> > > Senator Tom Daschle (Senate Democratic Leader): (202) 224-2321
> > > Also: (202) 224-5556
> > >
> > > Representative Dick Gephardt (House Democratic Leader): (202) 225-2671
> > > Also: (202) 225--0100
> > >
> > > Also, be sure to call your congressmen and both your senators. All
> > these
> > > numbers are easily located on voter.com. You can also contact them
> > > through the U.S. Capitol Switchboard:
> > >
> > > U.S. Capitol Switchboard (all Senators and Representatives): (202)
> > > 224-3121
> > >
> > > Another office to call is that of Chicago's Mayor Richard M. Daley (the
> > > brother of Gore's campaign manager, Bill Daley):
> > > Telephone: (312) 744-3300
> > > FAX: (312) 744-2324
> > >
> > > If you've never made a call like this, there's no reason to be shy.
> > They
> > > get opinion calls all the time and are set up to take them. In fact
> > they
> > > like calls. It helps them tell which way the wind is blowing.
> > >
> > > Some media contacts:
> > >
> > > Boston Globe
> > > (617) 929-2000
> > > Matthew V. Storin, Editor
> > > (617) 929-3049
> > > e-mail: storin@globe.com <mailto:storin@globe.com>
> > >
> > > Boston Herald
> > > Andrew Costello, Editor
> > > (617) 619-6400
> > > e-mail: acostello@bostonherald.com <mailto:acostello@bostonherald.com>
> > >
> > > Chicago Sun-Times:
> > > (312) 321-3000
> > > Michael Cooke, Editor in Chief
> > > e-mail: mcooke@suntimes.com <mailto:mcooke@suntimes.com>
> > >
> > > Chicago Tribune
> > > (800) 874-2863
> > > Howard A. Tyner, Editor
> > > e-mail: ChiEd@aol.com <mailto:ChiEd@aol.com> <mailto:ChiEd@aol.com
> > > Bruce Dold, Editorial Page Editor
> > > e-mail: bdold@tribune.com <mailto:bdold@tribune.com>
> > >
> > > Los Angeles Times
> > > (213) 237-7935 (opinion department)
> > > (213) 237-4511 and Fax: (213) 237-7679 (letters to the editor) (202)
> > > 293-4650 (Washington bureau)
> > > www.latimes.com <http://www.latimes.com>
> > >
> > > New York Post
> > > (212) 930-8000
> > > John Mancini, News
> > > e-mail: jmancini@nypost.com <mailto:jmancini@nypost.com>
> > >
> > > New York Times
> > > (212) 556-1234
> > > Joseph Lelyveld, Executive Editor
> > > Letters to the Editor
> > > fax: (212) 556-3622
> > > e-mail: letters@nytimes.com <mailto:letters@nytimes.com>
> > >
> > > Philadelphia Inquirer
> > > (215) 854-4500
> > > Letters to the editor:
> > > Inquirer.Letters@phillynews.com
> > <mailto:Inquirer.Letters@phillynews.com>
> > >
> > > USA Today
> > > (703) 276-3400
> > > Karen Jurgenson, Editor
> > > www.usatoday.com <http://www.usatoday.com>
> > >
> > > Washington Post
> > > (202) 334-6000
> > > Fred Hiatt, Editorial Page Editor
> > > e-mail: hiattf@washpost.com <mailto:hiattf@washpost.com>
> > >
> > > Time
> > > e-mail: letters@time.com <mailto:letters@time.com>
> > >
> > > ABC
> > > http://abc.go.com/abc/help/contact.html
> > > <http://abc.go.com/abc/help/contact.html>
> > >
> > > CNN
> > > (404) 827-1500
> > >
> > > CBS
> > > (212) 975-4321
> > >
> > > MSNBC
> > > e-mail: World@MSNBC.com <mailto:World@MSNBC.com>
> > >
> > > NBC-Nightly News: e-mail: Nightly@NBC.com <mailto:Nightly@NBC.com>
> > >
> > > NBC Today Show: e-mail: Today@NBC.com <mailto:Today@NBC.com>
> > >
> > > I'm hoping none of this will be necessary, but I fear otherwise. As
> > > Edmund Burke said, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. This
> > > e-mail is just to prepare you for the battle that should be engaged.
> > >
> > > PLEASE FORWARD THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE TO EVERYONE YOU CAN THINK OF. IF
> > > WE HARNESS THE POWER OF THE INTERNET, BY TOMORROW MILLIONS OF US WILL
> > BE
> > > READY!
> >
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