The vast majority of Muslims (99%+) are as outraged as everyone else on this
list regarding the WTCs. There were several hundred Muslims working in the
WTC when the planes hit. The planes, fires, and explosions did not distinguish
between religions. There are dead Muslims, Christians, Jews and people of
several other religions laying in that mass grave in NYC side by side. Most of
them were Americans.
To try and answer #1 - Don't become confused between what extremists say and
what main line Muslims say. You don't believe that what Timothy McVeigh said
represented Christians right? Don't think for a moment that what the extremist
Muslims say represents Islam. Until this atrocity occurred I had never heard
of the 69 or 7 virgins or whatever waiting in heaven and I have read a large
part of the Koran. The "kill the infidels" line is something out of a movie or
a bad excerpt from the Koran. I can pull lines our the bible that have been
used to wage war also. Most of the lines are used out of context. I don't know
what Moslems or Muslims (same thing - last spelling is thought to be more
correct) you had contact with who thought they were too stupid to understand.
It incorporates the teachings of the Bibles Old Testament. Many of the Old
Testament stories are also part of the Koran. Jesus and Mohammed are both
Prophets in the Islam religion. There are an incredible number of
similarities. If you are a bad Muslim in this life you will pay for it on
judgment day. If you step back several paces, and look at Judaism,
Christianity, and Islam, they start to look very similar. They really should,
since they all started in the same region of the world.
#2 - I didn't hear about that, however once again, don't think that what some
idiots do represents the entire religion. Bill Clinton is a Christian also, but
many people disagree with his morals.
#3 - Like I said, people do all kinds of things and say they are doing it for
religious reasons - that doesn't make it right.
#4 - I have no idea.
#5 - I don't believe that. There may be 50,000 idiots in the US willing to take
up war with the US, but I sincerely doubt they are all Muslim Terrorists. If
that was the case we would have had a lot more terrorist acts in this country
long before now.
Below is an excerpt from a major Muslim website in the US. Use your own
judgment:
_____________________
Terrorists are nobody's friend. Terrorism has never helped anyone.
Terrorists do, however, always help the cause of anti-Islamic forces.
We had a beautiful update ready for this morning that dealt with how to
relate to our neighbors but we are postponing that for something which is
hurting our neighbors.
As you know by now, terrorists have destroyed the twin towers of the World
Trade Center in New York city, as well as bombing several locations in
Washington, DC and Pennsylvania. Hundreds of our neighbors have been
killed.
In the past, when acts of terrorism have occurred, the American media has
been quick to point fingers at Muslims, resulting in neighbor turning
against neighbor, harassment, threats and attacks on Muslim institutions
in this country.
We are issuing this guide in the wake of the latest incident to help
Muslims deal with this situation.
Remember that you have not done anything. You have not committed a
terrorist act, killed or harmed anyone, so you have nothing to be
defensive, guilty or apologetic about.
This is a critical time for Dua (supplication). There is no power or
ability except with Allah. He is our Protector and He is in control. Pray
to Allah for the victims and the safety of others.
____________________________________
If we do go to war, it will not be a holy war between religions (unless our
leaders are stupid enough to do tout that!) Muslim Americans will be flying
jets, dropping bomb, and shooting our enemies on our behalf as will Christian
and Jewish Americans. And many of them will die. Missiles, bombs and bullets
don't discriminate between religious believers.
Dave
Floyd Petri wrote:
> Well this guy's email did it. Now I have to say something. To keep the
> flaming to a minimum I will do it in the form of questions implying that I
> don't know the answers and not making any statements (cause I don't know the
> answer).
>
> 1. My God (the only God) is supposed to be the same God as the God of
> Abraham and the same God of the Moslems know as Allah. So why does our God
> tell us "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and the Moslem's God tell them "Kill all the
> infidels (us) and get a ticket straight to heaven and be rewarded with 69
> virgins? Now why is that? It does not compute, but they (the Moslems) told
> me that it is all true. They (the Moslems) said that they are not smart
> enough to understand why and offered to get a high up religious man to
> explain it to me. I declined.
>
> 2. During Desert Storm and Desert Shield did Saudi Arabia really go through
> all the in coming mail to American Troops and remove all bibles, religious
> articles and crosses like returning troops told me they did?
>
> 3. If we have the same God why did they do that?
>
> 4. Why in the hell did our leaders allow them to do that if it is true? I
> would have told them to go piss up a rope and fight Sadam without us.
>
> 5. The last FBI Anti-Terrorism Briefing that I attended before retiring in
> 1995 they told me (us) that there was over 50,000 Moslem Terrorist in this
> country now that is just waiting for the word to do it to us. Why did they
> let them in the country knowing that?
>
> 6. Why are the religious police going around arresting Christians in Saudi
> Arabia now and putting them in jail for possessing bibles, crosses and etc.?
>
> 7. Last question. Why am I doing this? I know what's going to happen!
>
> Floyd Petri
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DaveCole" <davidcole@tk7.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [MV] Late comments on WTC attacks
>
> > First of all I'd like to say that whoever did the terrorist acts that
> resulted in the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon must be tracked down and
> brought to justice. I watched the second collision of the WTC live on TV
> while I packed my kids lunch - and I now know why they are called
> terrorists. The chill that ran down my back when I suddenly realized that
> the country
> > was under attack and that the first collision was no accident - will never
> be forgotten.
> >
> > Secondly I would like to suggest that Osama Bin Laden or any person who
> engages in this kind of atrocity is actually not a Muslim at all. He is no
> more a Muslim than Timothy Mcveigh was a Christian. No good Muslim would
> ever do to other humans, what was done by the terrorists who launched the
> attack on the US. As in every faith, there are extremists who use religion
> as
> > a stepping stone to convince people to do things they should know are
> evil. Osama Bin Laden or whoever did this atrocity to America is a
> terrorist, a mass murderer with a mission, nothing more.
> >
> > Israel is a real can of worms. If you were a Palestinian confined in a
> secured occupied territory and had to witness helicopter gunships and tanks
> supplied and made by America help destroy your villages, you might be just a
> bit pissed off at the supplier of the arms and aid. When was the last time
> you saw Palestinian helicopters and tanks attack Israel? They don't
> > have any. The Israelis are shooting fish in a barrel when they take
> gunships and tanks into occupied territories. Palestinian throw rocks and
> Israelis open up with automatic weapons fire. Not exactly a fair conflict!
> The US supplies aid to Israel in amazing amounts. The last time I checked
> it was roughly $2000 per Israeli citizen, that is the documented US aid. If
> > you don't believe me, check it out yourself. I believe I last saw the
> figures on the CIA website! (Your tax dollars at work!)
> >
> > Why we support Israel is beyond me. In that regard we have made ourselves
> a target. Jews, Muslims, and Christians were living peacefully next to each
> other before 1948 when outside forces decided to make Palestine into a
> Jewish state. Now we pretty much stand alone in our assistance to Israel.
> I now have a hard time distinguishing which side has the most terrorists.
> > However it is clear to me who is who is the occupier and who is the
> occupied. Palestinians are at best, second class citizens in Israel and
> when locked down, they are simply prisoners. It is not a lot different than
> Apartheid in South Africa. Why do you think these people have the
> desperation to strap on explosives and kill themselves? It sure isn't
> because they want
> > to be good Muslims. People who are willing to kill themselves for a cause
> are a very dangerous and very difficult to stop. They are the ultimate
> smart bomb.
> >
> > We should not equate Muslims with terrorists anymore than we equate
> Christians or Jews with terrorists. I didn't hear an outpouring of
> comments against Christianity when Timothy Mcveigh was caught. And most
> Christians are aware that all sins will be forgiven if we believe in Jesus.
> (Talk about an opportunity for religious extremists!; I can do whatever I
> want and
> > still go to heaven!)> >
> > I sure hope Timothy is burning in Hell as are the terrorists that took
> down the WTCs.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > BALLS! This is not a Flame, Cougar, but terrorists like Osama Ben Laden
> > > do not care what we do, say, or think half way around the world from
> > > their miserable, dusty, fleabitten, impoverished piece of dirt. While we
> > > value all those wonderful (and they really are wonderful) freedoms to
> > > engage in life, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness, what motivates
> > > these terrorists is the fact that the USA is the largest, strongest
> > > supporter of Israel, whom they are sworn to destroy! Its just that
> > > simple. We support the nation of the people who moved into land which
> > > they had owned for centuries. They, on the other hand, have lost their
> > > Soviet backers and they feel powerless. Therefore they wrap themselves
> > > in the cloak of religious fanaticism and, believing in the promise of a
> > > heaven filled with virgins and sweetmeats, happily join their little
> > > team and engage in Islam's version of the Kamakazi.
> > >
> > > I just hope that the armed forces get the opportunity, real soon, to
> > > help large numbers of Mr. Ben Ladens merry band on their way to heaven.
> > > Only then would I heartily chime in on their favourite mantra - Allah
> > > Akbar - God is Great!
> > >
> > > Just My Two Cents
> > > Mel Miller
> > > 2 X M725
> > >
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