From: Bill Chambers (bchambers@hoovers.com)
Date: Fri Aug 23 2002 - 13:07:00 PDT
As I sit here, as a former Dog owner, and great dog lover,
I am amazed that:
1. we wasting our time discussing this on a MilVeh list.
2. we are so busy defending our own dogs or opinions...
There are two things to concider:
1. dogs owned by MV owners (ie: participants)
2. dogs brought by visitors (unknowns)
both exist. as for unknown dogs, brought onto the field by unknown people,
if you don't have small kids, you better wake up. I know my 140 lbs shepard
was trained.
I do not know if yours was (no, not you, but those pesty show attendees)
Period, if you are willing to vouch for, and take on the legal ramifications
of all dogs coming to shows...
I got some land in Florida....
For dogs that are coming as part of a person's impression, or a dog
attending as a vehicle owner,
Then put them through a test like my vehicle goes through.
Start em, stop em, prove they won't freak out on small childres (you figure
out how to test this out)
I abide by the rules of the MV, I have no fuel leaks, seal my gas when
required, I block my tires.
Dogs cannot be turned off, neither can children, but when was the last time
you had a child bite a stranger?
So, anyone have a british handcart that I can get measurements from?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve & Jeanne Keith [mailto:cckw@attbi.com]
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 2:50 PM
To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
Subject: Re: [MV] FYI...Dogs not allowed at Hallsville Ohio MVSHOW!
Let's see:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Ball" <vought@msn.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] FYI...Dogs not allowed at Hallsville Ohio MVSHOW!
> Hi all
> I just happen to be the owner of two very well mannered Pit bulls, Zak is
a
> pure bred red nose and Brandy is a half boxer half pit bull.
> My dogs live happily in there nice size yard never bothering anyone not
dumb
> enough to jump "there fence".
And you are sure that they cannot get out on their own? Ever?
> I would never take my dogs to a public event not because they would be
> bothersome to myself and others but because why would I want to subject
them
> to people like Jack who sounds like a living Jerry Lewis movie with Dogs
in
> it.
This is Jack's fault that he went to a 'people' event.... It is Jack's
'fault' that he does not
subscribe to 'the love me love my dog' extreme position with an obviously
agressive dog
at a public event? He is characterized as 'Jerry lewis' because this dog was
agressive?
> Dogs are very smart animals they know when things are not right with a
> person such as extreme fear and if you shit and piss your self frequently
it
> draws special attention and they will stick there nose in your ass to
check
> it out after all they are animals and as such this kind of activity is
> interesting to them.
So that makes it OK to subject him to that kind of activity? NOT ACCEPTABLE!
NH RSA 466:28 "Any person may kill a dog that suddenly assaults the person
while such person is peacably walking or riding..."
> If you think about it humans have the same instinctive ability if someone
> walks up to you staring at there shoes fidgeting and acting very nervous
it
> puts you on edge makes you look around and see what's got this person so
> nervous and you treat them differently.
Maybe it is just the way that person is all the time. You don't know
> When a dog senses fear or nervousness they do one of two things its called
> fight or flight most dogs will stay away from people that are acting
strange
> but some will want to warn that person a little first before leaving most
of
> the time with a bite or two and occasionally a dog will feel that his
> territory or fellow pack member (owner) has been violated and will try and
> remove the invader by more extreme measures.
And that is OK? Remember you leave yours at home. What about others who
don't?
> This is exactly why I leave my dogs at home they are way to smart for me
to
> take a chance that some idiot will show up and piss himself and Zak will
> feel the need to protect me as am part of his pack from someone obviously
> acting strangely.
Because someone is afraid of your pit bull, it is OK that he is now at risk
to your
or someone elses dog. Most would call it a healthy caution to be that way
with a
strange animal.
> There are no bad dogs just bad owners and I do not put up with bad
behavior
> from my pets they are well mannered and behaved.
Agree
> Jack get a cat and a box of depends and stay out of places were you
become
> part of the food chain because fear will get you dead.
Does that include HMV rallies? Why should Jack have to get 'Depends' to go
to an HMV show?
> Also never run from
> any animal they will chase you and when they catch you they won't just
shake
> your hand and say nice race. Also try to stay alert at most events there
are
> moving vehicles and you would not want to get lost in 10 tons of halftrack
> it will not stop at the end of its chain.
>
> Dave
>
> Why should we trust the government with automatic weapons?
Agreed
Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J. Lee" <milveh@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [MV] FYI...Dogs not allowed at Hallsville Ohio MVSHOW!
>
>
> > First if you are complaining to get this fixed, you are wasting your
> breath.
> > Because anyone who would bring a dog (I'm talking Sheppard's, Pitbulls,
> > Dobbies, Rots and such) to such a public event will never understand
your
> > complaint. Oh sure, they notice other dogs running loose or going
berserk
> > over every little kid who happens to walk by their site. But, somehow
> they
> > never notice their own dog/s doing the same thing.
> >
> > Cripes, last year when I was at a big MV event I just about pee'd my
pants
> > when this guy's huge Rotweiler made a run at me while I walking by just
> > minding my own business and admiring MV stuff.
> > It was nice day, I was lost in my own MV thoughts and suddenly this
beast
> > from Hell went for me and pulled up just short thanks to a chain. Thank
> God
> > I was on a path and not taking a short cut like we all do at times!
Ever
> > visit a camp site and before you can back out, you got this German
> Sheppard
> > with his nose in your crotch or up your butt and you don't dare move for
> > fear of losing something important. Usually you got the owner kissing
> this
> > off saying, oh he's just being friendly. Yeah and the dog's back hair
is
> > standing straight up and a low growl is coming from deep inside the
> animal.
> > Yeah, sure... real friendly, would hate to see him when he is mad! This
> and
> > the other things you have previously mentioned make these events a
little
> > more stressful than necessary.
> >
> > Thats my unpopular 2 cents worth ...
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve & Jeanne Keith" <cckw@attbi.com>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] FYI...Dogs not allowed at Hallsville Ohio MVSHOW!
> >
> >
> > > However:
> > >
> > > I DON'T want your dog to:
> > >
> > > Pee on my tires
> > > Lick my hand after licking his A$#@%
> > > Fight with other dogs
> > > Bark and carry on
> > > Let run loose
> > > Poop where I walk or drive my HMV
> > > Etc
> > >
> > > It IS an HMV show NOT a dog show. This is very much like smoking IMHO;
> > > lovr me love my smoke or dog
> > >
> > > For the life of me I cannot understand why people insist on bringing
> dogs
> > > to places where it is TOTALLY inappropriate!
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "GEOF KAYE" <KAYE-RIVERCITY@webtv.net>
> > > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:07 PM
> > > Subject: [MV] FYI...Dogs not allowed at Hallsville Ohio MVSHOW!
> > >
> > >
> > > > FYI....DOGS are NOT allowed at the Show this year....good thing a
> vendor
> > > > told me about this....If I had traveled for 2 hours and been turned
> > > > away.......'course I got the CASH money to spend on MV parts and I
> have
> > > > been known to plunk down big bucks for those over priced parts....so
> you
> > > > venders who attend Hallsville can carry your parts back home....I'll
> > > > spend/waste the money somewhere else.....In view of Saddam's latest
> > > > video-seems like others in Hallsville Ohio are also not interested
in
> > > > dogs...shame dogs patrol your cities' towns and airports-sniff your
> > > > baggage/dirty underwear for explosives-are and have been an
important
> > > > part of the WAR effort-protect our borders day in and day out-find
our
> > > > human body parts at the World Trade Center-find our kids when they
are
> > > > lost/kidnapped-visit you in nursing homes when you are old and sick
> and
> > > > have to wear a smelly diaper-provide companionship when even your
own
> > > > children won't come and visit you in those nursing homes.....Have a
> > > > great show.....I won't be there-nor will my dog-or my money...geof
> > > >
> > > >
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