From: opcom (opcom@vmsone.com)
Date: Fri Sep 06 2002 - 20:24:26 PDT
I went to DEFCON9, the 2001 hacker convention in Las Vegas. I can say
there were a few feds, some that blended in, and some that did not. Most
had been made by the end of the event.. Some, I think, wanted to be
made! Most were going to the sessions and seminars, rather than 'spying'
on people. Feds and other 'cops' are always welcome at such events.
By the way, we played the 'capture the flag' game, s a server team. our
DEC (now H/P) Alpha running OpenVMS was one of only two machines that
was not hacked and destroyed when subjected to 5000+ hackers for 3 days.
--PJ
Ryan M Gill wrote:
>
> I've been involved in the 2600/Hacker Community for a few years now
> as and observer (industry side/career side) and the Feds have been
> watching them for years. Its gotten to the point that the 2600
> meetings will sometimes have a game of "spot the fed". The meetings
> are held in public places like malls and such where everyone sits and
> eats and talks. Often, I've seen the person that they were pointing
> out and they sometimes seemed out of place and sometimes not. It all
> depends.
>
> However, the 2600 meetings and talks at conventions actively
> encourage Law enforcement to come to the meetings to discuss issues
> and legal affairs. Some of it is a matter of discourse, but some is
> also to be open and honest with the Feds and improve relations. The
> hacker community isn't out to destroy the world. They are there to
> learn and discover. This is closely paralleled with the MV hobby.
> Especially with regards to tanks and other vehicles.
>
> Perhaps the next MV meeting you are at needs to have a CID walking
> around chatting with folks getting a better idea of what the hobby is
> really about. The same could go for law enforcement and other
> government agencies. This could help us at the next go around for a
> De-Mil bill.
>
> With enough Govenment agencies saying we help more than hurt, we
> could get some sectors of the government actively encouraging us. The
> Army at the lower levels is already tickled pink that they can ask a
> group to show up with old vehicles that they haven't had in inventory
> and have them in operational condition for their people and civilians
> to see. We need to keep that up with the local base commanders and
> such. Get enough of them into the Hobby from their side of it and we
> might get a Pro-MV De-mil Bill once they get to Pentagon levels.
> Other wise in 50 years the army will be looking for people that have
> operational M60's and M113's for shows when all of them were cut up.
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