From: Steve & Jeanne Keith (cckw@attbi.com)
Date: Fri Oct 11 2002 - 09:03:37 PDT
He was wrong, period! You may disagree.
He fought for freedom.
Freedom to do paintball,
Freedom to vote,
Freedom to not have to sit in the back of the bus
etc.
Last time I checked, paintbal is not illegal. He has opinions
You have yours, I have mine. We are all different, and all the same
too. The Freedom to choose is what our veterans served and
fought for. He may not like it, you may not like it, hell I may not
like it. But that is what our veterans served and fought to preserve.
I for one think honoring our vets with restored HMVs is one small
thing I can do. Most people do nothing or worse. Our vetrerans
are looked at in this modern society as old men with stories or
young men who are dumb for not persuing big $$ in society.
You say teach history, which is right. Teaching the origins of
wars is part of that and gives insight as to how societies get
themselves into those horrific situations. Once you see how
wars start; the reasons, the little things that could have been
done differently, you will have a different perspective on how
leaders, past and present got different countries into war through
inaction, whishful thinking, malice, etc.
Dave: I don't think you and I disagree on this.
Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Ball" <vought@msn.com>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] Reenactors have no right!!! unless they were there
>
>
> > The Vet was right but you misunderstood his feelings his concept of
dying
> > for freedom is something you obviously have been spared it has nothing
to
> do
> > with what you can and can not do but what others can do to you because
> they
> > do not like your ethnic background or beliefs. And you do not teach War
> you
> > teach History and you do not need to dress up and carry guns to do that.
> And
> > paintball is just more war games and it serves no purpose except to
prove
> > that many reenact war as recreation for fun and sport.
> > If the guns were real and you had to bury your dead friends at the end
of
> > the day your feelings on freedom would be much more like the Vets He
> > probably felt playing war was as dangerous as fighting one even if the
> > outcome was different and that he fought and his friends died so no one
> > would have go to war again.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve & Jeanne Keith" <cckw@attbi.com>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] Reenactors have no right!!! unless they were there
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dave Ball" <vought@msn.com>
> > > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [MV] Reenactors have no right!!! unless they were there
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > why in the hell do
> > > > you think my Dad went to Europe just so you could find his uniform
put
> > it
> > > on
> > > > and let a whole bunch of Germans play war and chase you around for
> > > children
> > > > to watch I do not think
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > A number of years ago, a local M38 owner who was also a WW2 vet went
to
> a
> > > Planning
> > > Board meeting that I attended. They were reviewing plans for a
paintball
> > > facility. The neighbors
> > > were concerned about traffic and noise. There was some concern about
the
> > > paint itself on the
> > > environment too. The vet stood up and stated 'that he did not fight in
> WW2
> > > so that someone
> > > could run around in the woods shooting paintballs at each other...'
> > >
> > > I felt so sad that he fought in a war that could have killed him and
yet
> > he
> > > had absolutely NO
> > > concept of what he was fighting for!
> > >
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > I think you need to listen to what you are saying we do not need to
> > teach
> > > > our children about War
> > >
> > > We definately need to teach War in my humble opinion! If you teach
war,
> > and
> > > how they start, how horrible they are and how they affect the average
> > > person,
> > > you will be teaching children how to both cherish what our Vets have
> given
> > > us
> > > and how to protect it. Teach War and you will learn about Peace...
> > >
> > >
> > > All my WW2 HMVs (that this applies to) have the marking of the 291st
> > Combat
> > > Engineers. They built the Bridge at Remargen and they stayed behind at
> the
> > > Battle
> > > of the Bulge to blow bridges and therby hault one of the German
> > spearheads.
> > > My
> > > HMVs are marked (and I explain this to people) to honor these very
brave
> > > men.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
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