From: Joe Scheaffer (jsinvent@charter.net)
Date: Mon Dec 30 2002 - 17:59:35 PST
Hello,
It is nice to know that people like Ryan are out there. My Mom, a certified NRA
instructor that drives a M37 said "If you have never lived in Atlanta, you don't
understand." Thanks Ryan and everyone else out there like him!
Joe
Ryan M Gill wrote:
> At 1:14 PM -0800 12/30/02, Dave Ball wrote:
> >I am not sure which is worse over armed paranoid good Samaritans or a person
> >who thinks a carbine with a knife on the end is a good defense in an ambush.
>
> "Use your pistol to fight your way to your rifle..." That's something
> the Rec.Guns crowd seemed to chant as a basic self defense mantra.
> You've gotta have that rifle nearby in order to get to it.
>
> Mostly the rifle is there as a blanket for the issue of intervention
> as a third party and I have no other option. I'd rather deal with
> some bad situation that I feel I must help in from a distance rather
> than up close. What moved me to that was my stopping a man from being
> beat to death at 2am in Atlanta. I was on the way home and saw the
> situation developing from three men chasing one to three men jumping
> up and down on the one. I interviened from a comfy distance with my
> engine between me and them. The carbine would have been better given
> the range.
>
> >I will say I would rather take my chances on my own knowing what type of
> >folks might pull over to help so do me a favor and don't do me any favors.
> >This is the type of mentality that has got this world in deep defecation a
> >gun of any type is no good unless it is ready for use anything else is
> >trouble waiting to happen.
>
> Guns don't get waved at people helter skelter. That't not what I'm
> saying. They don't even know it's there unless there is some kind of
> problem.
>
> >I wonder what would happen if someone walked up to your car and pointed a
> >Saturday night special at your temple and said get out and give me the keys
> >you would do it and now they have your 9 and carbine and your car and your
>
> Given that they will often times shoot you when you totally comply,
> I'll be looking for that 2 second opening and not give them the
> chance. Doubly so given that I often have my girlfriend in the car.
> The first motion to getting out is undoing the seat-belt, right next
> to that is the 9mm. Take that with me as I slowly rise and then look
> for the opening.
>
> >Lighten up people it can be dangerous out there but so is playing golf in
> >the rain you are more likely to get hit by a sniper than have the above
> >happen anytime soon so use common sense put the guns in a safe at home drive
> >carefully carry a cell and CB call 911 if you see someone stranded give them
> >location (GPS is great) and the license number of the car.
>
> I'm not going to try to read GPS coordinates to a Police dispatcher.
> They have enough trouble with Highway and exit numbers what with all
> the changes the DOT keeps making. "Is that new exit 43 or old exit
> number 43?" We had a nice new easy Exit number = Mile Marker number
> and the local dispatchers even got that wrong. The Atlanta
> Dispatchers couldn't even process the call for the Olympic park
> bombing 5 years ago because they wanted a numbered street address for
> it. The recording was all over the news. "You've just had a bomb go
> off in Olympic Park. You've got a lot of people hurt, send ambulances
> and police now!" "What address is that???"
>
> >If you have no choice but to give aid call 911 give them your location the
> >situation and both yours and the victims licenses numbers and then access
> >the situation by driving by and pulling over and backing up to the disabled
> >vehicle (just like a cop) this way you can see if it is safe before getting
> >out and you have left yourself a way out.
>
> If the HERO's are active I'll call, but they go home after a certain
> time or are too busy, so depending on if one is available, I'll stop
> or not.
>
> >You can also roll by and let the stranded people know you have alerted the
> >local police to there location without leaving your vehicle just keep your
> >eyes open.
>
> Usually, its a matter of passing and giving an eyeball and then going
> round or parking down the ways. I'll collect the conspicuocity vest
> and/or flash light when I get out.
>
> >If you drive by and see 4 people and then on a second look only see three I
> >would be very cautious.
> >If you are the type of person who cannot do risk assessment well then make
> >the call to 911 and drive by slowly showing them the cell and scadattle you
> >did more than most and can still drink without drooling you helped the best
> >way you could.
>
> Most certainly. I work around systems that are online and supporting
> a website that most of the people on this list likely look at. I'm
> pretty good at the whole risk assessment concept as I do it every
> day. "Is moving this wire going to take down CNN.com's main server?"
>
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