From: Soren Barr (sorenbarr@worldnet.att.net)
Date: Fri Jan 17 2003 - 15:29:10 PST
I don't think it's been posted, and if it has, I appologize, but here is the
wording on eBay:
Offensive Material
eBay's community is a diverse, international group of users with varied
backgrounds and beliefs, and it's easy to imagine how some items listed on
eBay might be offensive to at least some of our users somewhere in the
world. But one of eBay's great strengths is the diversity of its membership
and the items they trade, and eBay believes that it's important to respect
(and learn from) that diversity. That's why eBay generally permits listings
of "practically anything on earth," even items which most of us find
offensive.
Fundamentally, though, eBay is a community, and members of a community must
respect each other as human beings. Listings that promote hate, violence or
racial intolerance (or organizations dedicated to such notions) have no
place in a true community-we're all here to trade, do business, and have fun
with each other. eBay will not become a platform for those who promote
hatred toward their fellow man.
Further, eBay is now a worldwide community with many users residing in
countries where the possession or sale of items associated with hate
organizations is a criminal offense.
eBay has always exercised judgment in allowing or disallowing certain
listings consistent with the spirit of a worldwide community. Therefore,
eBay will judiciously disallow listings or items that promote or glorify
hatred, violence, or racial intolerance, or items that promote organizations
(such as the KKK, Nazis, neo-Nazis, and Aryan Nation) with such views. For
example, eBay will generally remove items that bear the marks of such
organizations, such as relics from the KKK or Nazi helmets.
Under this policy, eBay may in its discretion, remove items and refund
listing fees when the item or description graphically portrays violence or
victims of violence, and lacks substantial social, artistic or political
value.
For example, eBay may disallow sales of explicit crime scene photographs or
morgue photos, while permitting military documentaries or photographs of war
victims. eBay may also, in its discretion and out of respect for the
families of murder victims, remove listings of items closely associated with
individuals notorious for committing murderous acts within the last 100
years, such as personal belongings of such criminals, letters or artwork
created by such criminals, or novelty items that bear the name or image of
the criminal.
Further, eBay will remove any listing and suspend the users involved where
it appears that a person convicted of a violent felony is attempting to use
eBay (directly or through another person) to benefit financially from his or
her criminal notoriety.
eBay will review listings that are brought to its attention by its worldwide
community, and will look at the entire listing to determine whether it falls
within this rule.
Examples of items that will generally be removed:
* Items that bear symbols of the Nazis, the SS, or the KKK, including
authentic German WWII memorabilia that bear such marks
* Crime scene photographs
* Morgue shots
* Letters and artwork from notorious murderers
* Electric chairs and related capital punishment items
Examples of items that may generally be listed:
* German coins and stamps from the WWII era regardless of markings
* WWII memorabilia that does not bear the Nazi or SS markings
* Books and movies about WWII or Nazi Germany, even if the Nazi symbol
appears on the item
* War documentaries or documentary photos portraying victims of war or
violence
* Items of historical importance associated with acts of violence
against public figures
Related Help topics
* Prohibited and Restricted Items Overview
Report listing violations or problems with another eBay member.
Address of this page: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/offensive.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Cole <DavidCole@tk7.net>
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Date: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] Ebay Items disappear
>
>What's next, book burning?
>
>What about books about Nazi's on Ebay? What about thinking about Nazi's?
>
>What's next - What would Jesus drive? - a Hummer?
>
>I bet you can sell a Russian Stalin era uniform on Ebay. Anyone know for
sure?
>
>A large percentage of the public is intimidated by anyone who wears miltary
clothing, reenacting or not.
>
>We are a minority folks. So when someone talks about the moral majority
watch out. You might be on the other side and not realize it, since what is
moral or
>not is more than a bit subjective.
>
>RE: Ebay - This is simply Ebay exercising their right to discriminate.
Hey, this is still a free country right? Don't like what they do. Start
your own E-Store.
>
>Personally I think that Ebay is great to sell stuff on, but they have
terrible customer service and their attitude simply sucks.
>But they are the best ride in town, and until someone actually has a forum
that effectively competes with them, they will continue to operate in an
arrogant
>fashion.
>
>Personally I think that anyone who would wear a Nazi uniform in public
would be exercising very poor judgement. However that is a right that a lot
of regular
>American folks died for. If you don't like the freedoms in this country,
there are a lot of other countries to pick from where you can't wear what
you want.
>
>Dave - ebay feedback of 150+ with zero negatives.
>
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>1/16/2003 5:42:27 PM, "Dave Ball" <vought@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>You are obviously not part of the moral majority out of respect for those
>>that lost loved ones or even whole families (German concentration camps
and
>>Americans held by the Japanese or killed instead of. ) it is not
politically
>>correct to show, sell or parade Axis contraband or equipment.
>>My Mom lost some Brothers in WW2 one her twin which I am named after and I
>>don't feel this way I love the German vehicles but that is were it stops I
>>have a real dislike for there uniforms specially SS or Death Squad gear
>>sorry these are my feeling this is America and you can do what you want
but
>>I do not understand why someone would dress up in Black SS gear and walk
>>around what is the point... history Evil History.
>>I love the quality of the German Tanks and trucks and even the Swimwagon
>>(spelling) they are over built and over engineered a tribute to
engineering
>>I see them as equipment they could be used for peace keeping as well as
war.
>>Now a black hat with a skull on the front that makes me wonder why.
>>
>>My 2 cents
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Demonware Restorations" <INDYN@xtra.co.nz>
>>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:52 PM
>>Subject: Re: [MV] Ebay Items disappear
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>It was a Nazi item, which are largely banned.
>>
>>Well i must say this kind of discrimination would not be tollerated in New
>>Zealand. It is about time that people recognise these items as historical
>>and nothing more.
>>I was recently involved in an airshow (with ground forces) and a couple of
>>us built a full size panther tank for the show. We received NO negative
>>comments, and got only good comments from the public and WWII Vets alike.
>>One old guy was so thrilled to see it and after we told him it was fake,
he
>>was amazed at the time and effort we had put into it. Everyone was more
>>impressed that we had spent the time, money and affort in getting things
>>right, rather than worrying about what it did in the past (which is
exactly
>>right... THE PAST) and as far as i'm concerned it doesn't matter if it's a
>>vehicle or a book, coin or a uniform, each has it's part in our history
and
>>should therefore be treated with respect and not discriminated against.
>>Or if they are going to discriminate, then ban all militaria (I'm not for
>>this bye the way). One life or 10000 lives during war is a great loss for
>>someone.
>>
>>Enough from me.
>>Adam North
>>RNZAF Police Ret.
>>1941 M741B RNZPC
>>
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