From: Ronzo (rojoha@attbi.com)
Date: Fri Jan 31 2003 - 05:47:04 PST
Mr. Ball and list:
While your intentions to 'make it easier for someone
searching for the olive parts to find them' may be from the heart, have you
seriously considered what that does to someone on a dial-up connection. Who
gets hits on 127 items for an M35 and has to wade through 13 pages of
unrelated 'hits', waiting while they load. All because of folks who 'know'
what is best for you. Saying in your description "Please check my other
auctions for other M series parts I have for sale" is acceptable. Listing 10
M series vehicles in a items description that cannot use the part, is not.
It is also called 'internet curtosey'.
What if you go looking for a particular guitarr and find someone has
'mentioned' it in a description for a piccolo, a banjo and a set of
drumsticks, because they want to 'make it easier' for you to find other
'musical' instruments?
A machine gun part for an M60 that has 'M2 M2HB Maxim M249' and others
in the description, because they want to make it easier for you to find ALL
types of machine gun parts, including ones you don't own?
You don't mention Chevrolet, Ford or Dodge in a description of a Toyota
Celica because YOU want to help the guy looking for a Ford broaden his
horizons, do you?
How about you go to your local MV parts dealer and ask for a spark plug
for an M38A1 and the clerk gives you a 'Universal' M series spark plug from
a landing craft because HE thinks its close enough to what you want, plus he
has a ton of them and after all, a sale is a sale, right?
Spamming is spamming. The reporting rules are there so that folks don't
take advantage of the other folks using the service. YOU have the choice to
spam or not in your descriptions. The rest of us have the choice of
reporting you if you do, and eBay has the choice of acting on the complaints
if they get enough of them. It's called a self policing list, like this one.
The seller of an item is SOLELY responsible for what he places in the
Keyword description and item description. He alone is responsible for
getting gigged when the eBay police write him up after checking out a
complaint by someone who is annoyed at being shotgunned .
It's not personal, just business.
Clean business or funny business is the choice of the business owner.
Getting reported is only a problem to someone who makes his own problems by
playing fast and loose with the rules.
There are eBay vendors with good reps and bad reps. Which side of the
line you end up on is TOTALLY in your hands, not the customers.
Ronzo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Ball" <vought@msn.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] I wish vendors would stop listing parts this way!
> You want to get my stuff yanked go right ahead if it makes you feel good
> that's exactly what I am talking about.
> The reason I add those extra search items is to make it easier for someone
> searching for the olive parts to find them.
> The only way you will return those extra items in a search is if you click
> search items and descriptions its that simple nothing sinister.
> You ever wonder why you get 31 items when you search on M35 and you get
127
> items when you click search items and descriptions
> Selling a matched set of M151 Belts for $10.00 is not going to make me
rich
> it is a waste of time if you think about what goes into it. I do not need
> them and someone else might so rather than sit on them I offer them up at
a
> decent price for use.
> Sorry if you feel put off by that, its not personal. Taking the time to
> email ebay to have someone's stuff yanked because its fun now that's
> personal....
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ronzo" <rojoha@attbi.com>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [MV] I wish vendors would stop listing parts this way!
>
>
> > Damn Dave, sure do seem to have struck a nerve with you here. What would
> > make you get so cranky about people bitching about keyword or
description
> > spamming? It's clearly spelled out in the policies and procedures of
eBay
> as
> > a no-no. These two guys were guilty. The first had only 223
transactions,
> > the second only 248. Definitely newbies, probably with more buys than
> sales.
> > So maybe I (we) should cut them some slack?
> >
> > `Calling someone on a little mis-truth about the "famous" universal
MV
> > sparkplug is a bad thing? (They're back on the 'bay again today).
> >
> > Got me thinking, maybe thou doth protesteth too much....
> >
> >
> > As you said " but if it makes you
> > > feel better about your own pitiful life then why not go ahead join in
> and
> > do
> > > the human thing report a fellow a MV'er for something today I am sure
it
> > > will raise your ego another notch....."
> >
> >
> > So I went back in the archives, wondering if there was anything in
it
> > that would give a hint on what button of yours I pushed? Turns out you
> sold
> > some items a while back on the 'Bay and gave us a heads up here. One
thing
> > lead to another and....
> >
> > Found on the 'bay today.....
> >
> > M151 Military Jeep Matched Belt Set
> >
> > Item 2401849022
> >
> > seller: oggy10 (622)
> >
> > Description
> > This is a M151 matched belt set it is in excellent shape and made by
> > Goodyear. M151 M35 M37 M38 Military truck Jeep
> >
> >
> > So, instead of notifying eBay, I'll throw it out here to the list
> (where
> > maybe oggy10 might see the results).
> >
> > Does anyone on the list see the relevance of the description for a
set
> > of matched belts for an M151 needing M35 M37 M38 in it except as a spam
> > tactic? If it can be used on an M35, fine. If not, in my opinion, it
> doesn't
> > belong there. It's spam.
> >
> > If oggy10 is out there, care to give the reasoning behind your
> > description? Can't be an accident like the newbies, since he has 622
> > transactions under his belt....
> >
> > "Hey, the emperor has no clothes on!" said the little boy.
> >
> > Ronzo, the mean spirited MV'er
> >
> > If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck....
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Ball" <vought@msn.com>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 4:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] I wish vendors would stop listing parts this way!
> >
> >
> > > Lets see maybe you could send an email to the seller first or should
the
> > > everyone start reporting everyone for the small things. I am sure
> everyone
> > > on this list has something that could be reported to some body like
> maybe
> > > the neighbor with the junk yard view in a residential neighborhood.
> > > This hateful having fun at some else's expense stinks but if it makes
> you
> > > feel better about your own pitiful life then why not go ahead join in
> and
> > do
> > > the human thing report a fellow a MV'er for something today I am sure
it
> > > will raise your ego another notch.....
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ronzo" <rojoha@attbi.com>
> > > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:47 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [MV] I wish vendors would stop listing parts this way!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Read the replies to the original post up until a couple of minutes
> ago.
> > > >
> > > > This vendor is either a 'KEYWORD SPAMMER' and thus a
> >
> >
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