From: Dave Ball (vought@msn.com)
Date: Tue Feb 04 2003 - 10:50:10 PST
News hounds = Mad men and Women leading the blind for big profits without
caring for those in there way or the lives they ruin along the way to big
profit and viewer/reader/listener market share.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry J. Fackovec" <hfackovec@easternems.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] Columbia. Negligence there?
> >>>I sure hope the children and families of those lost astronauts are
> shielded from all the speculation and news hounds.<<<
>
> What exactly is a "News Hound" ?? If you are talking about a member of
> the American media, it is our right and responsibility to keep the
> public (Like you) informed about public events. The horrible effects on
> an astronauts family is a very legitimate news story. By entering into
> the program they and their families forfeit all rights to privacy.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Hankie (The guy The Post used to send out to ask the family of murder
> victims it we could have the victims high school pix to run front page)
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On
> Behalf Of Dave Ball
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:02 AM
> To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [MV] Columbia. Negligence there?
>
>
> The tragedy in this is the astronauts up on this trip were there for
> reasons other than EVA activities so were not trained for that mission.
> In my mind I thought maybe the robotic arm could be used with its
> Cameras but this is also a mission trained specialist task. Hindsight in
> it self is worse than Murphy's law we all at one time or another have
> been out in the MV going long distance and had something go south and
> thought... What if I had only done this or brought that but that
> thinking only serves to remind us how important it is to be prepared for
> anything and everything and do our Preventative Maintenance and shake
> down cruises. The one thing I have not heard as a contingency is docking
> with the space station and sending up rescue missions to retrieve the
> astronauts if they had discovered there was a problem with the tiles on
> the left wing and needed to send the shuttle spacemail to the sun. If
> they had found a problem they could not repair it is the reason NASA is
> saying they did not take more steps in checking out possible damage. I
> sure hope the children and families of those lost astronauts are
> shielded from all the speculation and news hounds. One piece of the
> shuttle was on ebay and got to $21,000,000 before ebay pulled it today I
> do not know what the seller was thinking and the buyer...... The FBI was
> on the news warning against taking government property it is ill gotten
> booty and they will take you away in bracelets.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy Smith" <timothy.smith1@worldnet.att.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:12 PM
> Subject: [MV] Columbia. Negligence there?
>
>
> > Appears several list members are knowledgable in the field of
> > aerospace,
> so
> > I have a question or at least an observation.
> >
> > Everyone was well aware that something had hit the left wing of
> > Columbia
> and
> > the fellas on the ground with the slide rules and thick glasses had a
> > pow-wow and came to the conclusion that all was well with Columbia
> > after that mishap.
> >
> > HUH?! (having heard that, my antenna began to quiver)
> >
> > I heard an astronaut (who was a qualified and experienced shuttle
> > crewmember) state in an interview that (at least in the case of
> > Columbia) there was no way for the crew to make a visual examination
> > of the exterior surfaces of the craft.
> >
> > EXCUSE ME!? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!
> >
> > Having heard all the commentary about the delicacies of reentry in a
> > shuttle, it seems to me that under circumstances such as these, a
> > visual examination of the exterior of Columbia would have been
> > mandatory and failure to do so (assuming there was actually something
> > to see that would indicate a problem) and failure to consider that
> > such a need would arise
> at
> > some time and failing to plan for it would constitute negligence.
> >
> > I am not suggesting that they would have necessarily been able to fix
> > the damage, but they sure as hell would be able to make an informed
> > decision
> as
> > to what they felt they could and could not do with the shuttle
> > afterwards.
> >
> > Personally, I wouldn't send another shuttle up without some type of
> > EVA equipment or perhaps some remotely operated vehicle with cameras
> > and a tether so that next time (and God forbid there WILL be a next
> > time) they
> can
> > at least have a look.
> >
> > I liken this to one of us taking our HMV's across the desert without a
> spare
> > parts and a cel phone.....nuts, huh?
> >
> > Comments, anyone?
> >
> > Regards,
> > TJ Smith
> >
> >
> >
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