From: Paul A. Thomas (bluewhale@jaxkneppers.com)
Date: Tue Mar 11 2003 - 22:28:57 PST
I agree with most of what you say John.
However it seems that pointing out little things like the French can do as
they %T#)(+% please as they own their own country and nuclear weapons means
nothing to the fanatical right ( and fanatical left ) wingers on the list
here. There's people in this country who think you should be shot then set
afire for being black, white ( true ), catholic, arab ... whatever.
Nothing short of having their fanatical asses pulled out of a burning
vehicle will change their minds. IF that.
So I hit delete. Usually. <g> If I could ever find the time to put the
forum software up I bought 2 years ago I would have an area for MV specific
areas PLUS a politcal forum. Just point those who want to yell and stick
their noses into the air ( WE SAVED YOU 60 YEARS AGO!!! - or WE SAVED YOU
200 YEARS AGO!!! ) there and lock the door behind them.
But time is one of those things you just can't buy.
I tried renting it, but the Sherrif's busted me, calling me John or some
such.
Paul :}
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At 12:58 AM 3/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I take exception to those who are petty enough to get on this forum to bash
>those who are brave enough to leave friends and family for what they believe
>in. Those people are courageous- there is no other word for it.
>
>Courage in any form, even if it lies in the heart and spirit of your enemy,
>should be admired. We need more people in the world like that- no
>question... And if you're that kind of person, more power to you. But
>think CAREFULLY about what you are saying when you flippantly consign a
>brave, conscientious, moral person to the ranks of "human target."
>
>Charles Lindberg resigned his commission as a Lieutenant Colonel from the
>Army Air Corps prior to WWII because he disagreed with the international
>policies which our Government touted in the years leading up to WWII. He
>was right; in the aftermath of WWII the Japanese political machine referred
>often to pre war American Policy as BIG reasons that they changed their
>focus from China to the Pacific and began the war. Lindberg's contention
>was that we were pushing the Japanese toward belligerent acts, and that the
>China problem was in many ways created by the domination of their politics
>by Western countries for over a century and would be best resolved if we let
>them work it out.
>
>Despite his views, after war broke out, he immediately offered his services
>to the War Department. Considering that his specialty was long range flight
>and all the intricasies surrounding it, you would think that he would be a
>necessary part of the team. It was almost not to be.
>
>Roosevelt personally interfered with his application for a new commission
>and he never received one. He was very bitter about the public shellacking
>he had taken by the isolationists before WWII, and Lindberg was at the top
>of his list.
>
>Nevertheless, Lindberg found his way as a civilian advisor to the South
>Pacific, where he was personally responsible for more than DOUBLING the
>range of our long range interceptors there, the P38 Lightnings. Of course,
>this was almost 2 years after these operations had started.
>
>We are very good at persecuting minorities in this country, so let's not be
>too quick to judge the voices of caution and reason, and even those who
>vehemently oppose our points of view. There might be some truth to them,
>and in the midst of saber rattling, MOAB dropping, and JP4 fumes, some of
>these options may be better in the long term.
>
>Don't know if you saw the news today, but it looks like Tony Blair is going
>to take a bath as PM. If he does, we are left with very few options in
>regards to the UN, which means we are standing pretty much alone against the
>UN Security Council. We might be standing alone as Charles Lindberg was
>standing near the outbreak of WWII, and our options limited not in this
>conflict, but the MUCH MORE serious ones which will surely follow. I have
>had to think hard about it, and I know that S Hussein is as bad a dude as
>needs to be removed- but I think we need to listen to the international
>community more on this one.
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jason Frisch" <jenjas@cox.net>
>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:12 AM
>Subject: Re: [MV] The French
>
>
> > I like to think of those going as "human shields" more as "human
> > targets"................
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julian Burke" <julian@knology.net>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:56 PM
> > Subject: [MV] The French
> >
> >
> > > With all of the talk of the French and how we hate them now, wasn't
> > it
> > > France some years back that wouldn't let us fly over their air space to
> > get
> > > to a military objective?? As I remember, there were some un-Americans
> > that
> > > said "Thank you France" much like the un-Americans who are going to
> > Bagdad
> > > to act as "human shields". How lest we forget! Julian
> > >
> > >
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