From: Fred Martin (mung@in-touch.net)
Date: Wed Mar 12 2003 - 02:44:28 PST
John....(there is no other word for it)....I could describe my word for
it...but you wouldn't want to hear it...the devine wind boys gave their
lives for something...trying to take out a ship...but to go over there
and get blown up for nothing....sounds rather ______ to me. I wonder if
while over there, if a gun was handy...would they? I would think a
brave, conscientious, moral person should have the intelligence to not
go over there in the first place. The government will order all
Americans out first, those that don't follow instructions will be as
another poster described. I do wonder....10-20 years from now with us
being the planets so called bad boys...and China is the world super
power and everybody choses up sides....will we be alone? Fred Martin
John Seidts wrote:
> I take exception to those who are petty enough to get on this forum to bash
> those who are brave enough to leave friends and family for what they believe
> in. Those people are courageous- there is no other word for it.
>
> Courage in any form, even if it lies in the heart and spirit of your enemy,
> should be admired. We need more people in the world like that- no
> question... And if you're that kind of person, more power to you. But
> think CAREFULLY about what you are saying when you flippantly consign a
> brave, conscientious, moral person to the ranks of "human target."
>
> Charles Lindberg resigned his commission as a Lieutenant Colonel from the
> Army Air Corps prior to WWII because he disagreed with the international
> policies which our Government touted in the years leading up to WWII. He
> was right; in the aftermath of WWII the Japanese political machine referred
> often to pre war American Policy as BIG reasons that they changed their
> focus from China to the Pacific and began the war. Lindberg's contention
> was that we were pushing the Japanese toward belligerent acts, and that the
> China problem was in many ways created by the domination of their politics
> by Western countries for over a century and would be best resolved if we let
> them work it out.
>
> Despite his views, after war broke out, he immediately offered his services
> to the War Department. Considering that his specialty was long range flight
> and all the intricasies surrounding it, you would think that he would be a
> necessary part of the team. It was almost not to be.
>
> Roosevelt personally interfered with his application for a new commission
> and he never received one. He was very bitter about the public shellacking
> he had taken by the isolationists before WWII, and Lindberg was at the top
> of his list.
>
> Nevertheless, Lindberg found his way as a civilian advisor to the South
> Pacific, where he was personally responsible for more than DOUBLING the
> range of our long range interceptors there, the P38 Lightnings. Of course,
> this was almost 2 years after these operations had started.
>
> We are very good at persecuting minorities in this country, so let's not be
> too quick to judge the voices of caution and reason, and even those who
> vehemently oppose our points of view. There might be some truth to them,
> and in the midst of saber rattling, MOAB dropping, and JP4 fumes, some of
> these options may be better in the long term.
>
> Don't know if you saw the news today, but it looks like Tony Blair is going
> to take a bath as PM. If he does, we are left with very few options in
> regards to the UN, which means we are standing pretty much alone against the
> UN Security Council. We might be standing alone as Charles Lindberg was
> standing near the outbreak of WWII, and our options limited not in this
> conflict, but the MUCH MORE serious ones which will surely follow. I have
> had to think hard about it, and I know that S Hussein is as bad a dude as
> needs to be removed- but I think we need to listen to the international
> community more on this one.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Frisch" <jenjas@cox.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] The French
>
>
>
>>I like to think of those going as "human shields" more as "human
>>targets"................
>>
>>Jason
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Julian Burke" <julian@knology.net>
>>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:56 PM
>>Subject: [MV] The French
>>
>>
>>
>>> With all of the talk of the French and how we hate them now, wasn't
>>
>>it
>>
>>>France some years back that wouldn't let us fly over their air space to
>>
>>get
>>
>>>to a military objective?? As I remember, there were some un-Americans
>>
>>that
>>
>>>said "Thank you France" much like the un-Americans who are going to
>>
>>Bagdad
>>
>>>to act as "human shields". How lest we forget! Julian
>>>
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