From: fred@militaryvehicle.org
Date: Thu Mar 13 2003 - 09:23:49 PST
As Patrick says in many more words, their site sucks. It should work for
everybody, including those who don't want to be tracked through cookies.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Jankowiak" <eccm@swbell.net>
To: <fred@militaryvehicle.org>
Cc: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] Military Vehicle Events Calendar, 2003
| There's nothing wrong with it as a commerce site, except the microsoft
| commerce stuff, which as there configured, makes it hard to get to the
| link you want unless your web browser drops its pants.
|
| It would be easy to have a separate directory outside the commerce
| site's directory which does not require cookies (or java -a means to
| offload processing and controls, without permission, onto the user's
| PC, said processing which should be done on the server instead), and
| goes right to the MV stuff without putting you in the 'storefront'
| every time.
|
| Oh well I made my opinions, probably get told off for it. Maybe, maybe
| not. If the worst thing we have to deal with is a web site where we
| don't like the way it works, it ain't really so bad.
|
| Did you get right to the article when you turned cookies on, or was
| there another issue? I am curious.
|
| SGT PJ
|
| fred@militaryvehicle.org wrote:
| >
| > I must say that John Adams-Graf responded to my posts yesterday and was very
| > understanding and accommodating. A good guy, But in my opinion their site
| > still su-_cs!
| >
| > Fred
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Patrick Jankowiak" <eccm@swbell.net>
| > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
| > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:19 AM
| > Subject: Re: [MV] Military Vehicle Events Calendar, 2003
| >
| > | Here is the sarcastic explanation.
| > |
| > | Just turn on cookies if you want the article and don't want to read my
| > | geeky crap.
| > |
| > | If you want to see how you are possibly being spied upon, read on.
| > |
| > | Look at the 'clever' url you end up at (yours will be different of
| > | course, are 'per computer' and 'per session'):
| > |
| > | with my DOD-compliant Netscape version:
| > |
| > | --plain browser, cokies disabled:
| > |
| >
"http://www.collect.com/default.asp?MSCSProfile=95385A1F52DEA1A229D5B37542054464
| >
5BCFA23C6D1A03F5D04317FD01D2C9CD5F5E779C646B870128E7C7349390D296DFCF1E867A716ED3
| >
F752A4F77034636945906A58A29319D7006608F7208A65EAB683541E29471EAE955E43B82A7BA116
| >
491B00681AC2834A893A50323BB9CB9AE2BBEC65AB9061B7CE80C261EFA0272E6CF7CAE7224F7C0E
| > "
| > |
| > | --refresh with java and no cookies, still no MV story:
| > |
| >
http://www.collect.com/default.asp?MSCSProfile=95385A1F52DEA1A229D5B37542054464C
| >
A207BA7FDA37F3065EDB582EF29D0FE82AD3589D9AA1FC58A20D5AF481829048B9D2487F704B5084
| >
97F4A0B6CE71EF14A3E5CDF914188813F6CA591826249960E8D60DA2DC40244FF211BA4D172C5270
| >
C09BB3AA4BD9A4B7A0454CE800E92B4783D50B64F9F19D04CE44797A2D0B5D73EF35E1BDBDED657
| > |
| > | --The MSCSProfile is a minion of satan, er.. Microsoft. "Commerce
| > | Server uses MSCSProfile tickets to identify and track anonymous users
| > | who visit your site. MSCSProfile tickets are stored in persistent
| > | cookies for users who allow persistent cookies. If users do not allow
| > | persistent cookies, the MSCSProfile ticket is encoded in the URL (as
| > | above --ed.). When an MSCSProfile ticket is stored in a persistent
| > | cookie, you can determine how long the MSCSProfile ticket is valid,
| > | typically several years..."
| > |
| > | --More info on MSCSProfile at
| > |
| >
"http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/csvr2002/htm/c
| > s_se_authentication_chnv.asp"
| > |
| > | --Now, if you enable COOKIES and Java, you get the MV page.
| > | http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?id=6492&cookie%5Ftest=1
| > |
| > | --COOKIES alone, you still get the MV page:
| > | http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?id=6492
| > |
| > | See how thenURLs are different? Ok, so why are cookies needed?
| > | information collected? Cookies are a form of small file that a site
| > | can place on your PC to track your UID and session, that is, to tell
| > | the website servers where you, yourself, on your particular computer,
| > | have been.
| > |
| > | let's see.. who is identifying what session and collecting what
| > | information here.. I object. How annoying. Evil! Satan begone!! Out
| > | filthy devil!!
| > |
| > | By the way, if I were running a web business, I would not be using
| > | microsoft programs, they are extremely vulnerable to hacks and worms
| > | of all kinds! Use OpenVMS for B1 security, and if it is too costly, at
| > | least use UNIX.
| > |
| > | PJ
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | fred@militaryvehicle.org wrote:
| > | >
| > | > John This is one of my pet peeves, and I've been derided on the list
about
| > it
| > | > more than once. Especially when they thought I was the bad Fred's only
| > | > partially evil (but much cleaner) twin, so here goes. By way of
constructive
| > | > criticism...............................
| > | > Your site is just terrible
| > | > It never works
| > | > The links that you included in your post bring me to the same page which
has
| > | > nothing, zero to do with military vehicles. I don't know if it is
because
| > I'm
| > | > not a subscriber, or what
| > | > I've never had any success with your site and have come to routinely
ignore
| > it.
| > | > If you know why this is, please post it.
| > | >
| > | > Regards
| > | > Fred
| > | >
| > | > ----- Original Message -----
| > | > From: "Adams-Graf, John" <grafj@krause.com>
| > | > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
| > | > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:17 AM
| > | > Subject: [MV] Military Vehicle Events Calendar, 2003
| > | >
| > | > Thanks for the bandwidth, guys. I have posted a complete schedule of
| > military
| > | > vehicles events on our website. This should take you directly to the
page:
| > | >
| > | > http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?id=6492
| > | >
| > | > If that doesn't work, it is listed as one of the articles at:
| > | >
| > | > www.militaryvehiclesmagazine.com
| > | >
| > | > If you notice that your club's event is not listed, drop me an email at:
| > | >
| > | > grafj@krause.com
| > | >
| > | > I will be happy to add it to the calendar!
| > | >
| > | > Thanks,
| > | > John A-G
| > | > editor, MVM
| > | >
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| > |
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