From: Ken MacLean (kenmaclean1@rogers.com)
Date: Tue Mar 25 2003 - 13:55:18 PST
John F. Kennedy is reported to have said of Dominican dictator and human
rights abuser par excellence Raphael Trujillo, "Sure, he's a bastard, but at
least he's our bastard."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Grammont" <islander@midmaine.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] CNN quote of the day
>
> >Steve It seems going over your posts of the last several months you bash
a
> >lot of things that are American the politicians, American history,
American
> >rights and laws Decorated Marine Vets following orders or even now
American
> >news.
>
> North might have been decorated (McVeigh was too, so what is your
> point?), but he most certainly did NOT follow the laws of this nation.
> He was in fact conviced in a court of law and sentenced to jail for
> comitting crimes against the country. Military code says that it a
> soldier's SWORN DUTY to disobey any illegal order, which (no surprise) is
> a fact you don't care to challenge. Sorry if you don't like the facts,
> but that doesn't change reality.
>
> BTW, it was at Nuremburg where we firmly established that "following
> orders" is not either an excuse or a morally defensible position. We
> hung many Nazis who made such defenses, and jailed thousands more. In
> fact, Bush and the rest of the administration just got through warning
> the Iraqi regime not to forget this either. And that is right and
> propper. Perhaps you should listen more carefully to what our President
> says. I might not agree with everything he says, but I very much do
> agree with that.
>
>
> >You do not like America what's up with the Anti American slant.
>
> I love my country no matter what too. But that has nothing to do with
> ignoring reactionary elements which undermine it. Or hadn't you noticed
> that we have just started our SECOND WAR against a regime we put into
> place in order to have a non-communist/muslim government in the area?
> Hopefully this will finally put an end to the foreign policy of "yes, he
> is a bloody tyrant, but he is OUR bloody tyrant" thinking (I forget who
> said that, was it Kissenger?).
>
> You have no idea how much I have defended this country in front of people
> from around the world. The difference between you and I is that I defend
> what is defendable, not that which is not.
>
> >I hear they
> >are looking for good history teachers in France.
>
> Well, I did get a degree in History. How about you? And I am sure I
> could attempt to teach the French a thing or two about how much this war
> is their fault, because it is. But like you, I don't think they would
> listen to reason and facts. Much easier to shout down what you don't
> want to hear.
>
> >Sorry for the non MV content but the American bashing is getting on my
> >nerves this is my country and I love it no matter its faults, It is the
best
> >damn country period.
>
> Find me any comment where I said it was anything less than that? You
> seem to think that best = perfect. Very naive.
>
> >And go Olie....
>
> "Go convicted criminal who pissed on the Constitution and was pardoned in
> exchange for taking the fall for others" Longer, but far more accurate.
>
> Your post is a typical right wing knee jerk uninformed baseless abuse of
> someone who is expressing his 1st Ammendement right. A right which you
> should support if you are as pro-American as you claim to be. Note also
> that you did not challenge a single fact I presented, just attacked me
> for having an opinion that is different from yours. I expect nothing
> less from anybody that is on the extreme end of the political spectrum.
> Intelligent debates are not what you want because, God forbid, it might
> make you think about what really goes on in the world. Much easier to
> live in dennial.
>
> Shouting me down in an attempt to silence me is far more anti-American
> than anything I have ever said on this list. Shame on you.
>
> Steve
>
> P.S. I am for this war and I support our troops fully. That does not
> mean I do, or have to, support Bush like some sort of demigod.
>
>
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