From: Stu Ellis (stuellis@attbi.com)
Date: Tue Apr 08 2003 - 11:47:07 PDT
It was called "target practice".
"Stu"
Southern New Hampshire, USA
"Live Free Or Die"
Member In Good Standing of the following Military Vehicle Clubs:
Military Vehicle Preservation Assoc.
Merrimack Valley Military Vehicle Collectors
Green Mountain Military Vehicle Club
Vehicles:
1967 M151A1 Jeep
1964 M416 1/4 Ton Trailer
1986 M1009 CUCV Blazer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Bedel" <GBedel@designforum.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] List of Inadequate Eqiupment used in Iraq
> I was watching the footage on "FOX", when the Saddamites attacked an
armored
> column with what looked to be a Toyota corolla.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Ball [mailto:vought@msn.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 2:40 PM
> To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
> Subject: Re: [MV] List of Inadequate Eqiupment used in Iraq
>
>
> All this "obsolete" equipment only has to work for one trip. You may just
> get a chance to put it in your shed and clean the grit from the gear boxes
> for years to come as many of us collectors are doing with the antiquated
> hardware purchased from Gov liquid from the last trip to the dunes. If you
> ask me it doesn't matter what the soldiers are driving they are doing a
> hellava good job with it. I saw an M1 Skinny killer turn the 50 on some
> skinnies dumb enough to climb an embankment thinking they could flank it
> nothing left but dirty laundry. Anyone see the British ram the door to one
> of the palaces with what looked like a Rover?
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R. A. Moir aka RAM" <cyclopsram@starband.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] List of Inadequate Eqiupment used in Iraq
>
>
> > I suppose the M915 series of CCC trucks would qualify... the 400 HP
> Cummins
> > mated to the lamo Caterpillar air operated transmission and not
> > fitted
> with
> > a air dryer or filter ..I believe I got a glimpse of a couple of them
> > in a convoy.... RAM
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ronzo" <rojoha@attbi.com>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:49
> > Subject: [MV] List of Inadequate Eqiupment used in Iraq
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hey all !!
> > > How about starting a list of equipment used by Uncle Sugar in
> > > Iraq
> > that
> > > was deemed uneconomical, too complicated or expensive to maintain,
> > > or
> just
> > > not sexy enough to keep in the inventory, but seems to do just fine
> > > in
> > bogus
> > > conditions.
> > >
> > > Things like:
> > >
> > > 1) A10 Thunderbolt II (aka Warthog) [obsolete, no "GEE WHIZ"
factor]
> > > 2) M113 family of APCs [unreliable, too slow]
> > > 3) M35A2 trucks [too expensive to maintain, obsolete]
> > > 4) SUSV [no planned invasion of Norway in near future?]
> > > 5) M151 {one reported sighting}
> > > 6) B52 {Block one aircraft frame found in Le Brea tar pits
in
> > > 1873]
> > > 7) Commercial vehicles Like the International Box trucks
> > > seen accompanying the 3rd ID deep in the desert (Sand tan cab, big
> > > white
> boxes
> > > with power tailgates)
> > >
> > > How about unworkable concepts that the brains at Fort Fumble say are
> > > too
> > old
> > > to work.....
> > >
> > > Marines..... for amphibious assaults only, close to the
> > > shore
> line
> > ,
> > > supposedly ineffective for deep penetration. Presently 150 miles
> > > into
> Iraq
> > > because:
> > > 1) Army Generals forget about them, didn't notice they will
> > > soon overrun Baghdad, then continue through Turkey, Balkans, France
> > > and
> > Germany,
> > > pacifying all countries encountered and reaching English Channel
> > > before reaching the point where they only have 5 days of supplies
> > > left and are manadatorily required to call the Pentagon for
> > > resupply. If they go to
> > half
> > > rations, they could cross the Atlantic and take Quebec, which would
> > > get
> > more
> > > of the Canadians to back us. This is because, Marines, being rather,
> shall
> > > we say, "literal minded", were told "The only way home is through
> > Baghdad".
> > >
> > > 2) They are USUALLY told to stop when they run out of beach
> sand
> > > and let the Army land and pass through them. Still got sand under
> treads.
> > If
> > > not careful they may get pissed when Baghdad falls and make a right
> > > turn when sent back to reload on ships in Kuwait, taking the entire
> > > Arabian
> > land
> > > mass and settling the Palestinian and other geographic problems
> > > specific
> > to
> > > that AoR.
> > > (Hope they don't send the second MEF north that they unloaded
> > > last
> > week,
> > > since they already been afloat for six months and might be a bit
> > > more
> > testy
> > > than the Marines already in Iraq..... they might just seize the
> > > Soviet
> > Union
> > > for spite and then we'd have all them Russians on US welfare and
> > > rebuild payment plans)
> > >
> > > Maintaining amphibious off load capability generic to the Army,
> > > such
> > as
> > > the landing craft, LSTs and barges and Tugboats recently handed over
> > > to
> > DRMS
> > > for disposal since we have......
> > > a) Lots of Army Divisions on ships that require piers to
> > unload....since
> > > we got allies all over the place that will let us transit their
> > > country,
> > who
> > > needs barges,eh?
> > > b) Lots of C5's and C17's and soooo many allied airfields all
> > > over
> > the
> > > place with long term usage agreements.
> > >
> > > Putting all the GEE WHIZ electronics only in the equipment state
> side,
> > > not the forward deployed stuff. Since we can rapidly load and
> > > transit an entire division and reach ANYPLACE in the world in 21
> > > DAYS from the GO order. Then sit around for 4 weeks looking for dock
> > > space.(Hmmm...where
> > did
> > > I put that landing craft thingy that the Marines used?)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any others?
> > >
> > >
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