From: Glen Bedel (GBedel@designforum.com)
Date: Thu Aug 14 2003 - 08:12:48 PDT
I had watched the Discovery channel on US Army logistics, Moving military
vehicles and cargo, back a while ago. It was a lesson in Logistics: "How to
move 2 M818 5 ton truck tractors from Maine to Ohio, on a limited budget
with time constraints".
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Grammont [mailto:islander@midmaine.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:11 AM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] SA-18 GAM
Glenn,
Glad you finally got someone lined up to transport your trucks. Sounds like
you had far more fun doing that than actually finding and buying the stuff
they are moving :-)
William,
>
>Really? What has the US done to Muslims? You can't just make a general
>statement like that and expect it to be accepted as fact.
Don't take my word for it... read some books on the subject, then decide for
yourself. But here are some topics you can look into... check out who put
Saddam in power and kept him there. Look at who put the Shaw of Iran in
power and tried to keep him there. Dip into some research about who has
supported Israel, to the hilt with military and economic aid, no matter how
badly it has flaunted UN Resolutions (you know, the things American
governments launch wars over when it involves Arab states). Check up on how
well thought of the Saudi royal family is in Saudi Arabia, then see who is
largely responsible for keeping that government afloat. I'm sure if you
look even haphazardly you will find lots and lots of other well documented
tidbits about how great America has been in the Arab world, explaining (in
part) why they are far less than happy with the US.
I'm not saying everything bad in the ME is the fault of the US' flawed
policies, but the mess Europeans made there can not be cleaned up by making
more messes. Americans would never stand for someone messing with their
internal politics. Difference is, America can (and does) and they can't.
Doncha think that might breed a TINY bit of resentment?
>The whole
>region distrusts us because they don't like the way we live.
No, they don't trust Americans because US foreign policy has been
deliberately, and with great effort, unfair to them.
>They don't
>like the fact that our wives can drive cars, that women can vote.
Depends on what country you talk about. There are many Muslim states that
allow women to drive and vote, yet a decent chunk of their population still
hates the US.
>They don't like the way we've set up our country.
No, they don't like the way Americans have set up its country to actively
export its culture and cultural values to other nations by way of military
force and/or military forces. If the US just left them alone (i.e. not
supporting Israel, local tyrants, etc.) there would be a good chance they'd
not have a problem with it. At least not to the degree there is right now.
>It's not in keeping with their version of their religion.
And the Muslim faith is in keeping with the predominant religion of the US?
Yah don't think that all the support of Israel is just a tad bit influenced
by that? There was a wonderful piece on the US Religions Right's support of
Israel on a couple of months ago. They think Jews will all go to Hell, but
if they can be used to get Muslims there first... great! Ah, but only
Muslims use their religion to cause harm to others... I forgot.
Final thought... Americans are thought of better by Muslims than right
wingers and the media would have you believe. Everytime I read, here, or
talk with someone who has been there 1st hand, this notion is reinforced.
Muslims, and Arabs in particular, are like anybody else... they just want to
live a comfortable life. And like any other group (obviously Americans
included) hate, ignorance, and religious intolerance are to be found. But
most are able to seperate Americans from US government. If they couldn't,
we would be seeing 9/11s on a monthly basis.
Steve
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