From: Doc Scheffler (roughdoc@earthlink.net)
Date: Fri Sep 19 2003 - 15:02:06 PDT
As the partial owner of a solid hydrogen fuel, I am as interested in
hydrogen powered vehicles as anyone.
Interesting to note, the Russians used hydrogen as a fuel in their military
and civilian vehicles during WW II during the siege of Stalingrad. Major
change is the injection system. Little or no wear to the moving parts.
Currently there are more problems with hydrogen than the cost covers. No
one really wants a large tank of hydrogen in their trunk. Please understand
that when you see a tanker truck of hydrogen running down the road, they are
completely self insured, because no insurance company will insure it at a
reasonable price due to the potential blast.
There are no tanks that can hold hydrogen for the long term either because
it leaks. Most current hydrogen is created as a by product of making
gasoline and hence most hydrogen plants are adjacent to fuel refineries.
Small lab quantities are usually shipped "just in time" to preclude the loss
from the storage containers.
You could modify our military vehicles to burn hydrogen very easily. We've
done tractors, cars, trucks, etc.
The hydrogen slush fuel cells are an environmental disaster.
France is doing research on hydrogen powered jets. Sadly, it doesn't become
efficient until very high mach speeds are attained, which is why the US
industry has pretty much ignored it.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On
Behalf Of Steve & Jeanne Keith
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 5:49 PM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] 20 years from now
Hydrogen is the transport (of energy) mechanism.
Yes you must seperate the water initially by some means but that
as stated below can be many things. It will require a new infrastructure
to create and distribute it. We are MUCH better off with hydrogen than
with batteries! I personally only want ONE change from the present
system and that is to hydrogen, NOT batteries!
Required HMV content: BMW has developed a gasoline based engine
that can burn hydrogen. This is potentially great news for us HMV owners
with gasoline engines .
Steve AKA Dr Deuce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Ehle" <markehle@hotmail.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] 20 years from now
> It's all about effiency. If you burn all the petroleum in one or a few
spots
> you can control how it burns much better that if you let it burn in a
> bazillion little spots. You can condense the water vapor and drink it. Try
> that with the vapor that comes out of a gas engine.
>
> An all-hydrogen future is inevitable. What are you going to burn when oil
is
> gone? It's just a matter of time. Besides, you can generate hydrogen from
> many difference sources other than petroleum. Petroluem come from, well,
> petroleum.
>
> As far as natural balances goes, I would rather have zillions of fuel
cells
> than gas engines.
>
> Mark
>
> >From: "Dave Winslow \(Dad\)" <David@Winslow.mv.com>
> >To: "Mark Ehle" <markehle@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [MV] 20 years from now
> >Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:36:45 -0400
> >
> >From: "Mark Ehle" <markehle@hotmail.com>
> >
> > > If our leaders were smart, we'd be burning hydrogen.
> >
> >Where would you get all that hydrogen? From oil maybe?
> >
> > > It makes so much sense
> > > that it is almost a given that our government will screw it up. It
> >is our
> > > one chance to get out from under the burden of foreign oil. You can
> >bet that
> > > the oil lobby will make sure that never happens.
> >
> >Petroleum products could all be put under a special tax to discourage
> >their use, to encourage alternatives, to finance research, so that a
> >gradual process would evolve. It will not happen.
> >
> > > If we went to an all-hydrogen economy, I would gladly park my M35
> >(mv
> > > content!) and drive my hydrogen-powered SUV anyday. Besides, I think
> >that a
> > > fuel cell would work nicely in an electric duece-n-a-half! You could
> >really
> > > sneak around. Imagine hydrogen coming in your house instead of
> >natural gas.
> > > You could make your own electricity, compress it for automobile
> >fuel, and
> > > drink the pure water that it generates.
> > >
> > > Yup - our government will make sure that it never happens!
> >
> >The largest greenhouse gas is water vapor. I don't know how much is
> >produced in a fuel cell large enough for such uses, but when a couple
> >hundred million are in use, it could be pretty upsetting to some
> >natural balances.
> >
> >But why worry about such details?
> >
> >Dave W.
> >
> >
> >
>
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