From: Glenn Shaw (wolf.star@verizon.net)
Date: Sun Oct 05 2003 - 12:12:03 PDT
Hi
I agree with Steve on the issues involved, but don't get hung up on the
weight of that truck. Its an Aluminum M113 body. The entire vehicle
only weighs 20000 lbs complete with all drive drain etc. The stripped
aluminum hull is only around half that or around 10000 lbs, no problem
for an 800 or 900 series tractor at all. It will do 65-70 no problem
top speed. The main issues here are what Steve discussed, not being
able to keep up with anything. Not even a tank will withstand a large
road bomb, as the Israelis discovered a while back with a new Merkava
tank.
Glenn
MVPA
MTANJ
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From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Grammont
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] Gun Trucks
Well, I am still trying to figure out how these sorts of conversions are
going to help. From the reports I have seen troops are getting killed
by
rather massive remotely detonated explosives. Small arms attacks don't
appear to be a big problem and even RPG attacks appear to have dropped
off (too dangerous for the attackers I suppose).
The unfortunate thing is that not much can be done against such remote
bomb attacks since the explosive power, if propperly shaped, placed, and
timed, would be in excess of any practical defensive armor arrangement.
Since it would be practically impossible to protect the gas tanks and
batteries from such an attack, no sense waisting weight on armor for
them. Better to put that weight towards shielding the crew area.
This is a rather interesting conversion though. Looks like they cut up
an old M113 and mounted it on a 5 Ton? truck chasis. My guess is that
this could actually offer the kind of protection needed for the run of
the mill explosive attack, but as Jim suggests the weight would mean it
could either transport very little or not keep up with a convoy. But
this is such an involved and expensive conversion, even if it did work
the Army wouldn't be able to field more than a small handful. And that
won't solve anything.
Steve
>what kind of dumb design is that it dont even shield the gas tank or
the
>batteries??
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>Subject: [MV] Gun Trucks
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>> Another Iraq gun truck - though I understand that this approach may
have
>> been abandoned on the grounds that the truck couldn't keep up with
the
>> cargo versions...
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>> http://community.webshots.com/album/92508045vVhFUA
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>> Jim
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