From: Stephen & Jeanne Keith (cckw@comcast.net)
Date: Sun Feb 01 2004 - 07:58:51 PST
Yup!
You got 8 wheels in the back saying wees going straight
and two little wheels in the front saying Pleeeze turn this way...
That is why rears last 30k miles and fronts last 4-5k miles
Steve AKA Dr Deuce
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Cole" <DavidCole@tk7.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] [MVlist] Re: [MV] M35 modifications
> Too bad that somehow reverse power can't be applied to the wheels on one
> side - aka skid loader. Then the duece might be able to turn in it's own
> length! That would be something to see.
>
> Individual side braking makes a lot of sense for off road use. I almost
> cannot drive my Case tricyle tractor in the snow without using the turning
> brakes.
>
> Driving my 5 ton dump with a full load of rock in the back really screws
> with the turning radius. It just doesn't want to turn at all.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:03:03 -0500, Bjorn Brandstedt
> <super_deuce@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Marc,
> >
> > Regarding the turning radius on the deuce, driving off-road on a
slippery
> > surface made me try to think of ways to improve things.
> >
> > Often in mud it was impossible to take a turn without backing up and
> > making a second or third attempt. With traction like a farm tractor, the
> > deuce just went straight, “snowplowing”. However, the farm tractor can
> > turn in mud simply by braking one of the rear wheels.
> >
> > A related problem was encountered in snow, about a foot deep, I would
hit
> > something which caused the steering wheel turn, busting fingers in the
> > process and since the steering was (is) so ineffective under these
> > conditions, I lost track of the position of the front wheels. One time I
> > actually had to stop, walk out and do a visual to see if in fact the
> > wheels were pointing straight or not. As it were, they were not, the
> > truck just drove straight on with the front wheels at an angle. This is
> > especially bad when it is loaded.
> >
> > With my particular configuration (with a knuckleboom crane) I can
improve
> > the steering on slippery surfaces or snow, by turning the crane forward
> > adding about 1,500 lb to the front axle loading. It is, however, not a
> > very practical solution.
> > My experiments with braking one side of the boggie in the rear are not
> > very conclusive because of the number of variables involved, but initial
> > tests showed that the turning circle (curb-curb) was reduced by about 10
> > feet on gravel (dual tires). Yes, I have separated the brake lines to
the
> > rear wheels and with a brake lock one side can be locked up, although
the
> > wheels never did “lock”, they just slowed down during initial testing.
> > More work to be done here...
> >
> > Installing singles in the rear improved the situation also. A reduction
> > of about 5 feet on preliminary tests with no other modifications.
> >
> > Other experiments will include installing CV-joints in the front to keep
> > the wheels turning at a constant rate when angled sharply (the deuce has
> > regular U-joints in the front). “Sharply” is a relative term here, since
> > the steering angle on my vehicle is no more than 23-25 degrees.
> >
> > Also, installing larger wheels in the front to improve drive in the
> > direction of turning, in effect changing the gear ratio to the front
> > wheels. That’s right, with this arrangement, all-wheel drive must only
be
> > engaged on slippery surface!
> >
> > Enough about this for now.
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
> > Bjorn
> > MVPA 19212
> > Meadows of Dan, Virginia (five degrees F this morning)
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Marc Strangfeld <curlyjoe98@yahoo.com>
> >> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [MV] M35 modifications
> >> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:35:03 -0800 (PST)
> >>
> >> Bjorn
> >>
> >> As long as it is still slow, underpowered, noisy, and
> >> rough riding I would call it a classic military truck.
> >>
> >>
> >> Marc
> >>
> >>
> >> PS Anyone who has read Military Vehicles Magazine is
> >> most likely aware of your articles about various mods
> >> and experiments to your deuce. I'm quite sure
> >> everyone appreciates them (even the
> >> reenactors/purists). Keep'em coming
> >>
> >> PPS How did it turn with one side locked up?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Bjorn Brandstedt <super_deuce@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Friends,
> >> >
> >> > A reflection(?) on "Ode to the Deuce";
> >> >
> >> > The classic 2-1/2 ton military 6x6, what exactly is
> >> > it? The way it was
> >> > delivered from factory or the way it was modified
> >> > for a particular
> >> > application?
> >> >
> >> > US Army PS magazine is loaded with small mods and
> >> > corrections pertaining to
> >> > the deuce. The TM’s contain lots and lots of
> >> > variants and not all manuals
> >> > are the same. What color is “right” for the deuce?
> >> > My Vietnam (1968) era
> >> > deuce came from the USMC with a non standard 4-color
> >> > MERDC camo pattern
> >> > (forest green, earth yellow, sand and black). It
> >> > came with partially
> >> > installed deep water fording kit and a 1970’s
> >> > voltage regulator.
> >> > The vehicle was built for a long life, which would
> >> > inevitable lead to
> >> > changes. I don’t think that there is anything
> >> > incorrect and destructive to
> >> > the character of the deuce to make changes that will
> >> > help it run or look a
> >> > little better, be it off or on the road.
> >> >
> >> > Did the factory delivered deuce have a driver’s seat
> >> > from a 5-ton truck? Was
> >> > the personnel heater installed without a circuit
> >> > breaker, was the fuel
> >> > density compensator bypassed?
> >> >
> >> > The following are some of the things I have done to
> >> > my M49A2C w/winch deuce
> >> > (not one of which could not be reversed if so
> >> > desired):
> >> >
> >> > 1)Remove 1,200 gallon tank
> >> >
> >> > 2)Remove winch
> >> >
> >> > 3)Mount 1972 HIAB knuckleboom crane (Army done that)
> >> >
> >> > 4)New truck bed. Ideally one from a M756 pipeline
> >> > construction variant, but
> >> > since I couldn’t find one, built my own.
> >> >
> >> > 5)Back-up lights
> >> >
> >> > 6)Marker lights
> >> >
> >> > 7)Turn signal lights (Army done that)
> >> >
> >> > 8)Turn signal buzzer (same as low air pressure
> >> > buzzer)
> >> >
> >> > 9)Converted to single 1100x20 tires along with
> >> > appropriate speedometer
> >> > adapter (Army done that) and narrower truck bed (was
> >> > 96, now 89 inches).
> >> >
> >> > 10)Separated the vent from the air-hydraulic
> >> > cylinder from the fuel and
> >> > master cylinder vents (Army done that).
> >> >
> >> > 11)Installed a “central venting system” for axles
> >> > and transfer case (Army
> >> > done that on newer vehicles)
> >> >
> >> > 12)Installed a crankcase breather filter (Army
> >> > should have done that,
> >> > simplifies driving in water up to about 4 feet
> >> > deep). Also reduces air
> >> > pollution.
> >> >
> >> > 13)Installed elbow on engine air intake “mushroom”
> >> > (Army done that, I think)
> >> >
> >> > 14)Installed alcohol evaporator (Army done that)
> >> >
> >> > 15)Installed flame heater monitoring device (Army
> >> > should have done that
> >> > considering the consequences of a non-working flame
> >> > heater)
> >> >
> >> > 16)Installed “load dump” protection on 25Amp voltage
> >> > regulator (Army should
> >> > have done that, considering the consequences of the
> >> > damage to installed
> >> > electronic equipment possible from such a condition)
> >> >
> >> > 17)Installed turbo on naturally aspirated engine
> >> > (Army done that by
> >> > replacing engine)
> >> >
> >> > 18)Installed pyrometer to monitor exhaust
> >> > temperature
> >> >
> >> > 19)Installed intake manifold pressure sensor to
> >> > monitor “boost pressure”
> >> >
> >> > 20)Experimented with separate brake lines to the
> >> > rear wheels to reduce
> >> > turning radius by braking one side. (used electric
> >> > brake lock from 5-ton
> >> > wrecker to lock rear wheels on one side).
> >> >
> >> > 21)Experimented with turn signal flasher that has
> >> > filament pre heater, short
> >> > circuit protection and/or electo mechanical
> >> > switching.
> >> >
> >> > 22)Flood lights (Army done that).
> >> > My to-do list has many more items, mostly little
> >> > things, remember that the
> >> > Army modified the deuce to include a new engine,
> >> > transmission, CTIS and much
> >> > more.
> >> >
> >> > It is very hard to resist modifying this vehicle for
> >> > some reason…
> >> > It’s like a giant erector set for big kids to play
> >> > with.
> >> >
> >> > The question still stands, what is a classic
> >> > military 2-1/2 ton truck? How
> >> > much or how little is it modified? What about the
> >> > ‘nam gun trucks? Lots of
> >> > mods there.
> >> >
> >> > Leave myself wide open on this one, but that’s OK,
> >> > fire away!
> >> > Have a great day!
> >> > Bjorn
> >> > Meadows of Dan, Virginia
> >> >
> >> >
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