From: rertman@ix.netcom.com
Date: Mon Feb 23 2004 - 16:04:31 PST
Ah, the joys and advantages of a manual transmission!! :)
Dick
Ray Fougnier wrote:
>
> You could pull just one 5 amp fuse and it would never remember
> anything. Only problem is that it will lose the adaptive tables used to
> accommodate wear and component variability. This would mean that every
> time you start the car, it would have to re-learn all of it. The newer
> trannys would shift hard for a few miles, and emissions would be a
> little high until that process completed.
>
> Unfortunately, that fuse would not cover every module on the car, so
> there could be data someplace that you don't want it, like the air bag
> module, since they all talk to each other. Scary.
>
> rertman@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> >The renter in CT got that dismissed because car rental companies are not
> >law enforcement agencies and cannot asses a fine for speeding.
> >
> >As for the "black box" functions in privately owned new cars, I'm sure
> >someone will come up with a way to defeat the data acquisition and/or
> >erase the memory with a button on the dash and the box's memory will
> >stay blank.
> >
> >Dick
> >
> >Glenn Shaw wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hi Dave
> >>For several years now unknown to most people the computers in OBDII
> >>vehicles have been able to act as a "black box" of sorts. No one knew
> >>about it until some smart lawyers began requesting the info from the
> >>crash vehicle under discovery. Once people found out about it there was
> >>a big stink brewing and now the vehicle manufacturers are actually
> >>telling people about it. Criminal and Civil lawyers will be requesting
> >>the info as a matter of course now in all major prosecutions. The
> >>biggest thing is it records the speed leading up until just before air
> >>bag deployment. You can see where that will have a predictable effect
> >>in court.
> >>
> >>By the way, in regard to the rental vehicle, when you disconnect the
> >>system or antenna it immediately causes an alert which results in them
> >>assessing the fine for that too.
> >>
> >>MV content: We don't have to worry about it in our M151 :)
> >>
> >>Later
> >>Glenn
> >>M151
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On
> >>Behalf Of David Cole
> >>Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 10:02 PM
> >>To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> >>Subject: Re: [MV] NO MV but more on "Big Brother"
> >>
> >>I recently bought a new Ford Excursion. It says in the manual that the
> >>computer tracks time, distance, speed, max speed, etc for some period of
> >>
> >>time and it warns that this information could be extracted by law
> >>enforcement officials if needed. Definite hints of Big Brother.
> >>
> >>I wasn't too happy about that warning.
> >>
> >>Dave
> >>
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