From: Glenn Shaw (wolf.star@verizon.net)
Date: Tue Feb 24 2004 - 08:59:44 PST
Hi
Richard raises some very interesting and fun points below:
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Subject: Re: [MV] NO MV but more on "Big Brother"
Or convert the system to a smart card that you can take out when you
leave the car. It would disable the car and allow you control of the
data.
Of course the downside is that by doing all these modifications a lawyer
is going to infer that you were breaking the law to go this far to
defeat the system.
***In any of the above cases the lawyer gets what he wants if you in any
way draw attention to your efforts to conceal the facts about your
conduct. Law 101, plays very well in front of the jury.
In NJ the OBD II system is used for emissions checks as well. Makes you
wonder what other data they can get out of the system when you go for
inspection.
***You are already right. The system pulls a lot of info and more is
entered by the operator. Not just NJ but most states now and all soon
if they want their transportation fund money. Insurance companies are
already paying for the data so they can use it to , for example deny you
your low mileage discount if you bend the mileage figures. They will
now not issue the discount until they see the info off the state data.
There is more.
Not sure if others were familiar with this but the EZ-PASS system can be
used for speeding tickets as well. They use the times you go through
tolls and calculate your average speed. There was talk of sending
speeding tickets out when the driver exceeded a certain speed
***I was just notified recently by EZPass in an email notice, that the
system is now in effect in NJ and any other state in IAG which uses the
EZ Pass system. They are sending out warnings for your first offense
then after that you are automatically charged the fine on your account.
If you want to fight it you have to appear at a time they specify back
in the state you got the speed ticket in. That's convenient. And by
the way it is a Law Enforcement action which carries a surcharge on
insurance in your home state. There is no practical defense in court
either since the speed is calculated over a long distance and time. It
is not just a quick 80 MPH that caught you because a radar trap happened
to be hiding there. If you don't like this you cannot use the system.
If you do use the transponder you have agreed to this. (Court tested
already).
Also don't forget the Qualcomm systems used in the trucking industry can
be used as well for speed\location tracking
***I have had my Class A with doubles and been involved with the
trucking industry for years and I don't even want to go there. Just
bring it up at a truck stop :) !
Remember that OBD II was not required until the mid-90's on vehicles.
Other option is to drive an older vehicle if you are that concerned
about big brother.
***You got that right. Just should be aware of whats out there and be
careful. Oh and don't buy a new cell phone that is GPS capable if you
don't like walking around with a tracker either ;) Black Helicopters
are coming. (MV content)
Glenn
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