From: Marc Strangfeld (curlyjoe98@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed May 05 2004 - 00:50:28 PDT
John
Sounds like you could make one good one out of the two
easy enough. I don't know what kind of steering
clutches it should have but clutches out of a D4 don't
sound right to me either. Used to be stuff like that
went for the price of scrap, or less for the sake of
hauling it away for the guy. Unfortunatly with the
price of scrap right now, their value has increased
significantly. Good luck on whatever you do. Those
Jimmy diesels sound cool don't they!
Marc
mi--- John Souza <John.Souza@ci.fresno.ca.us> wrote:
> Marc,
>
> The one that I can see OD on is non running. Of
> course he said that he
> ran it 4 years ago and was running when parked.
> There was a fuel line
> missing. Someone stole the BeeGee pump that was
> bolted on the back and
> I gues ran off a PTO shaft? The running one has a
> BeeGee pump on it.
>
> The other one is running. He put a battery in it
> and it fired right
> up. They put an alternator and hydraulic pump on
> the engine. The pump
> was to run the steering clutches. He said the non
> running one still had
> the manual steering clutches. he said they put
> clutches in from a D4
> Cat. I think he was telling stories....
>
> The dash on the running one looks homemade out of
> angle iron and square
> tubing. Looked good but was different that the non
> running one. The
> non running one had like dual lever like switches
> right in the middle of
> the dash. It also had dual air filters behind the
> dash. The running
> one had a single Donaldson one that layed
> horizontally behind the dash.
>
> Tracks looked good on both.
>
> John
>
> >>> Marc Strangfeld <curlyjoe98@yahoo.com> 5/4/04
> 12:31:12 PM >>>
> John,
>
> John Adams-Graf hit it right on the head. I'm
> guessing he got the information from a book by Norm
> Swinford, it's a good book. I believe it is
> published
> by the same company that publishes Military
> Vehicles.
> You might want to try www.ibdozing.com for a
> picture.
> Kind of a neat tractor. What kind of shape are they
> in?
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
> --- "Adams-Graf, John" <grafj@krause.com> wrote:
> > John: I am not a crawler expert but will give what
> > little info I know. You are best going to an
> > Allis-Chalmers mailing list. Those folks know
> their
> > stuff!
> >
> > "Track gauge" refers to the widt of the crawler
> from
> > center to center of the tracks.
> >
> > The HD-10 has a 62" track gauge. The HD-10W has a
> > 74". That's the main difference. Most (but not
> all)
> > HD-10Ws will have a serial number that ends with
> > "W". HD-10Ws built before 1946 will have a serial
> > number lower than 5964W. The serial number can be
> > found on the back of the transmission case at the
> > upper right corner. The engine number is on the
> > right side of the block by the governor.
> >
> > Gouser widths for the HD-10W cme in 6, 18, 20, 22,
> > and 24". For the HD-10, only 16 and 18"
> >
> > Weight of an HD-10W is 21,630 lbs. Weight of an
> > HD-10 20,960lbs
> >
> > A pre 1945 HD-10 or HD-10W will have 5 rollers per
> > side (6 after 1945). A pre 45 HD-10 or 10W will
> have
> > 32 shoes per track. After 1945, 34 shoes.
> >
> > Just have a picture of an HD-10 (not scanned).
> >
> > John A-G
> > Iola, WI USA
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Souza
> [mailto:John.Souza@ci.fresno.ca.us]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:20 AM
> > To: Adams-Graf, John
> > Subject: Re: [MV] Allis Chalmers (AC) HD-10
> crawlers
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > What does it mean 74" track gauge? Pardon me, but
> I
> > am ignorant to
> > crawlers. It measured 94" from the outside of the
> > track to the outside
> > of the other track. The track was bout 14" wide.
> I
> > am guessing at
> > that. As I didn't measure it. It was more
> > concerned with the overall
> > width for getting it on a trailer.
> >
> > He told me that it was a HD-10. It might be a
> > HD-10W. Do you know
> > what the differences were?
> >
> > How much does it weigh? No blade on the front.
> > Just a drawbar hitch,
> > that swings in an arc.
> >
> > Pictures?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > >>> "Adams-Graf, John" <grafj@krause.com> 5/4/04
> > 7:06:53 AM >>>
> > Total production of the Model HD-10 Crawler was
> > 10,197. They were
> > produced between 1940 and 1950. 1,760 HD-10W
> (74inch
> > track gauge) were
> > used by the military carrying the nomenclature
> > "Heavy Tractor M1". These
> > were painted OD. Original color was Persian Orange
> > or yellow.
> >
> > To summarize: HD-10W could be a military model.
> > HD-10 most likely not.
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > John A-G
> > Iola, Wisconsin USA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> > [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On
> > Behalf Of John Souza
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:56 AM
> > To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> > Subject: [MV] Allis Chalmers (AC) HD-10 crawlers
> >
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > Does anyone know if the military had any Allis
> > Chalmers HD-10
> > crawlers?
> > If so, can I get someone to send me a link to
> > pictures or send me
> > pictures? I found 2 here in CA. One looks like
> it
> > was painted OD,
> > then
> > an IH red color on top. I can't find any data
> > plates other than the
> > shift pattern. The guy that owns them thinks they
> > are in the 50-60's.
> >
> > I think they are 40-50's. They have a GMC 4-71
> > engine.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Souza
> > MVPA #2697
> > Fresno, CA
> >
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