From: Doc Scheffler (roughdoc@comcast.net)
Date: Wed May 19 2004 - 01:39:35 PDT
Anyone with this kind of money looking for a motorcycle, I have a 42 WLA
with 2 miles on a frame up restoration that I'll let go for $17K.
Doc
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From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On
Behalf Of Richard Eames
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:01 PM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] The Soviet/Russian MB650 . . . LABS (Lies And Bull
Sh!t)
Sorry! Stu!
If you had truly done your homework, you would not be so busy busting my
chops! The claims are true, the quality of the MB series KMZ bikes are
legendary. But, are they worth it? Time will tell! My Dad, in the late
1940's butchered a perfectly good Duesenburg, and turned it into a tow
truck. A damn good one, too! Who knew? The cars were worth nothing at the
time, but now...
The production numbers on the MB series bikes are very low, so hind-sight,
the sales already generated, and the interest these bikes have with the
general public tells me that "LABS" is probably your middle name. We sell
many KMZ bikes in the $5,000.00 to $6,000.00 range, but these are very
special bikes.
If you are trying to drive the price down, so that you can get a bargain, it
will not work. The bikes are not for sale to you at any price!
regardz...
Ric "the sign guy"
www.DneprOwnersGroup.org
www.Arbalet-USA.com
www.ScooterBob.com
www.Arbalet.net
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From: "Stuart & Jane Robinson" <stalwart@nwlink.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] The Soviet/Russian MB650 . . . LABS (Lies And Bull Sh!t)
On May 17, 2004, at 8:14 PM, Richard Eames wrote:
Sorry! Guys! If you had truly done your homework, you would know that the
"kit bikes" on Ebay, although built by the same factory, cannot even be
compared with each other.
Some yes, some no. I've seen NEW Dneprs offered here locally by several
individuals and companies alike for the past 10 years. I have looked at a
number of them, IN PERSON, and found the fit and finish to be third rate at
best. The engines are a POOR copy of a 1930's BMW and I have spoken with
several owners that were NOT impressed with their reliability let alone
their DISMAL performance.
These bikes were built during the Soviet Era, for the military, and the
inspection process during their manufacture would rival or surpass any
automobile or motorcycle manufacturer quality of that day or any other day.
Said like a true "snake oil" salesman! That's quite a statement but I
still firmly believe it is utter rubbish, Soviet manufacturing was NEVER up
to western standards.
They will come with a "Certificate of Authenticity of
Soviet Manufacture" signed by the country's Minister of Defense, the
Attending General, and the World's Leading Expert on Soviet and Russian
motorcycles, Mike Weaver.
That and two bucks MIGHT get you a gallon of gas.
They will also come with a one year parts warranty on a 30 year old/new
motorcycle. We will also supply a non-functioning Soviet/Russian Model DP
(DEGTYAREV) dummy LMG.
Gosh, that is worth the extra $8000.00 then . . .
Save your money guys (I'm SURE none of you are serious anyway) purchase a
WLA or somethin' similar and you'll have a REAL military bike that will go
UP in value instead being worth only couple of grand (less?), days or weeks
down the road.
If you think that I am trying to rip off the general public, at least be
able to back up your accusation.
I do believe you are asking a LOT for a VERY LITTLE product, are you
entitled to ask what you want? Absolutely, and if you can find someone to
pay $12,500 (let alone the ABSURD $25,000) more power to you. We military
vehicle collectors are on the most part . . . UM . . . ER . . . "frugal" but
you MIGHT find some interest here. :^P
I'm merely offering my opinion of what I have seen with my own eyes. I
considered a new one once at $6000.00 completely assembled and licensed but
I quickly got over it upon closer inspection. That was 10 years ago, I
doubt they have gotten any better with age.
S.
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