From: Ida Heath (spike@defuniak.com)
Date: Thu Jun 10 2004 - 05:24:28 PDT
Dave,
About eighteen months ago I did the very same thing with a 1996 Freightliner
Condo. I stretched the frame ten foot longer and now my RV Toter is 38'
long from bumper to bumper. Florida DMV gave me the OK to do it after I
explained what my intentions were then eleven months later when I was ready
to register it they no longer honored their OK to register it as a
motorhome. They got their legal department involved and final answer was
that I would be forced to register it as a truck, go through weigh stations,
maintain log book, get Ifta sticker, high dollar tag, high dollar insurance,
etc, etc. I asked for the name and telephone number of the individual
making the final decision and informed them that I was on my way to my state
representatives office with my attorney. At this point, which was ten days
in to the arguement they decided to give it a totally new name, give it a
year of 2003, new vin number, new title, etc. Now my full coverage insurance
and tag cost about three hundred dollars a year. I drag a thirty two foot
gooseneck from the two and fivesixteenth inch ball and I also put on a class
three hitch on the rear at the bottom. I went ahead and did mine up as nice
as any you will see out there complete with diamond plate aluminum around
the sides, storage underneath much like a Greyhound, etc. Good brakes, good
power, roomy, ability to haul thirteen ton on the trailer, and I wave at the
weigh stations. Many people have told me that it is only a matter of time
until people with rigs like mine will be challenged by the DOT everywhere so
I suppose I have some bridges to cross still.
Sonny
----- Original Message -----
From: David Cole <DavidCole@tk7.net>
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] 2.5 versuses 5 ton trucks - CDLs
> I have talked with a vendor at the Kruse Auction in Indiana several times
> who drives rig that I have to describe.
>
> Kenworth tractor - dual tandem - air ride - 5th wheel removed - van box
> installed along with some windows, toilet, sink, bed, etc. Also installed
> a really heavy pintle hitch - much heavier than a 5 ton mil vehicle.
>
> Trailer - dual tandem axle - tag - pintle ring hitch trailer - bed about
30
> feet long, probably an old equipment hauler - roughly 20 ton rating - with
> a 28 foot van body welded on to the equipment trailer's deck.
>
> This guy sews car tie down straps in the 28 foot van body - he has large
> windows cut into it to display his wares. He drags this rig all over the
> country to car shows.
>
> The rig is registered as a RV in Illinois I believe. He said they told
him
> it had to have a toilet, a shower, and a pressurized water system to pass
> as an RV. So he installed a setup in the tractors van body and presto -
he
> has a RV that he uses to haul his goods that he sells commercially. I
> think he told me that just the trailer was 35,000 lbs.
>
> Dave
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:04:36 +0000, D O <dohe69@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > When I researched this topic awhile back, I found similar statements.
To
> > the letter, I would say that one could drive an 80k lb loaded tractor
> > trailer with air brakes, if only used to haul personal belongings.
> > However, I doubt that most LEO's, especially state police, would agree
> > with me if pulled over. Then, as someone said in an earlier post, can
> > you afford to fight it in court?
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com>
> >> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [MV] 2.5 versuses 5 ton trucks - CDLs
> >> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:30:26 -0400
> >>
> >> At 1:08 PM -0400 6/9/04, Neil E. Amrhein wrote:
> >>> > "...I've been told by the DMV....."
> >>>
> >>> Well, that was you first mistake... ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Personally, I try not to believe anything they tell me. I ask them to
> >>> show it to me in printed form. Here is the FMCSA's definition of a
> >>> "Commercial" vehicle:
> >>>
> >>> "Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination
> >>> of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property
> >>> if the motor vehicle --
> >>>
> >>> (a) Has a gross combination weight rating of 11,794 kilograms or more
> >>> (26,001
> >>> pounds or more) inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle
> >>> weight rating
> >>> of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds); or
> >>>
> >>> (b) Has a gross vehicle weight rating of 11,794 or more kilograms
> >>> (26,001
> >>> pounds or more); or
> >>>
> >>> (c) Is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the
> >>> driver; or
> >>>
> >>> (d) Is of any size and is used in the transportation of hazardous
> >>> materials as
> >>> defined in this section. "
> >>>
> >>> The key to that is the part in the first section which says: "...used
> >>> in commerce...". You are not using the vehicle for commerce, so
> >>> therefore, it is not commercial.
> >>
> >> States may use a different definition.
> >>
> >>
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