From: paul carrier (paulc@teleport.com)
Date: Thu Jul 01 2004 - 12:13:11 PDT
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> From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On
> Behalf Of Ryan Gill
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:56 AM
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> Subject: Re: [MV] 4th of July...+ 2 cents on Canibals
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> At 9:38 PM -0500 6/30/04, Ida Heath wrote:
> >You people can support wrong doing if you wish but I don't. If the Army
> >supply system was utilized properly there would be no need or reason for
> >swapping parts. It isn't fair to the mechanic doing the double
> work nor is
> >it fair to the system. Demand cryteria creates stockage authorization.
>
> If the unit Budget doesn't support it then you
> won't have it on hand. This was a big key
> component of the Lack of NBC kit for all units
> involved in Desert Storm. Units stationed in
> Korea and State side tended to not have a full
> supply of Atriopine Injectors, Filters, Masks,
> suits, CAMs, Decontamonation gear and all the
> other needed bits expected to be used heavily in
> Kuwiat and Iraq the first time around. Units that
> had spent budget on weapons, materials and other
> training devices had to make choices. Ammo for
> training on live fire or more auto-injectors and
> mask filters to sit on a shelf somewhere unused
> until they exceed shelf life. Guess which things
> the unit commanders went with. When the balloon
> went up for Desert Shield/Storm, many units
> didn't have enough NBC items in inventory to
> equip their combat units let alone their rear
> echelon support units. AND add to that the supply
> system couldn't get them Manufactured in time,
> let alone distributed to all the units over seas
> that needed them in Theatre.
Most commands hold the go to war NBC suits and atropine
at theater depot level. Same with filters for masks.
And the stocks held were much less than what should have
been considering SOP's and the "book" rate of replacement.
Ammo is under a different fund cite. And most years we don't
get what the TRADOC STRAC manual says we should get for training.
In the last year my BN had to postpone IWQ to give our allotment
for that quarter to a unit that deployed.
CAMS are still in short supply, the facility on post is the DOD
rebuild site for DOD. They are running 2 shifts and could run a third
if there were CAMS to rebuild at that rate.
Guard units don't keep a full PLL, they use the now standard
"just in time" system. They order in or go local purchase.
>
> The Saratoga suit with the activated charcoal had
> an original stated open package life of 7 days.
> The commanders wisely started questioning the
> discard after 7 days rule and upper echelons
> adjusted thinking and SOP to reality. If they'd
> stuck to your mode of operation (the books the
> book, stick to the book) they'd have discarded
> suits after what ever the original open package
> life was and troops would have been unprotected.
> As it was, a suit would last far longer than 7
> days if cared for when opened and stored away
> when not needed.
8 hours of exposure to a known chemical agent.
And they do degrade after opening. But they
can be worn for longer periods if there hasn't been any exposure
Units have a suit per troop for training purposes and the go
to war suits held at depot.
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