From: paul carrier (paulc@teleport.com)
Date: Sat Jul 03 2004 - 09:57:05 PDT
Ok, I doubt you would have gotten any satisfaction anyway.
I'll leave politics aside. If you think talk of canibalization starts a
flame wwar....
Hadn't seen that about units getting tapped to deploy again. I saw the bit
about calling up from teh Inactive ready reserve. And I know there are some
who deployed on Homeland security missions who then went with units
overseas. And I know we are short some types of units needed at this time.
But I don't think a draft would solve anything, except maybe to get "K"
elected. The active duty folks I talk to arn't interested in a draft, TRADOC
isn't set up to train huge numbers of draftees, there isn't the
infrastructure to support a large influx of draftees and you will note the
only one with any political will to suggest it has bee Charels Rangle.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On
> Behalf Of Ida Heath
> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 4:33 AM
> To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [MV] 4th of July...+ 2 cents on Canibals
>
>
> Naaa, it sounded like you didn't want to go that route so forget
> it, plus it
> wouldn't change anyones way of thinking so lets just do it the
> current way.
> I cannibilized some parts today just to have something to do at my
> motorpool. We'll all go down the tubes together.
>
> I'll tell you what you can do for me though, you can help me get "W"
> reelected so the military don't lose the rest of what we have by placing a
> Liberal in the Whitehouse again. lol
>
> I saw in yesterdays news where the NG"s are being sent to Iraq for the
> second time and some prior service people are being called back
> in. Clinton
> really did a good job of draining the active military. I say start the
> draft back.
>
> Sonny
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: paul carrier <paulc@teleport.com>
> To: Ida Heath <spike@defuniak.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:19 AM
> Subject: RE: [MV] 4th of July...+ 2 cents on Canibals
>
>
> > Fine,
> > so you still want to talk to my commander ?
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ida Heath [mailto:spike@defuniak.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:22 PM
> > > To: paul carrier
> > > Subject: Re: [MV] 4th of July...+ 2 cents on Canibals
> > >
> > >
> > > This has gotten too silly, you'll get no further argument from me.
> > >
> > > Sonny
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: paul carrier <paulc@teleport.com>
> > > To: Ida Heath <spike@defuniak.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:24 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [MV] 4th of July...+ 2 cents on Canibals
> > >
> > >
> > > > Too bad you feel that way.
> > > >
> > > > Does this opinon come from not having worked with any ?
> > > > Or is it the old active duty bias I saw and had myself
> during my first
> > > > active tour ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Ida Heath [mailto:spike@defuniak.com]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 4:53 AM
> > > > > To: paul carrier
> > > > > Subject: Re: [MV] 4th of July...+ 2 cents on Canibals
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No comparrison in my opinion.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: paul carrier <paulc@teleport.com>
> > > > > To: Ida Heath <spike@defuniak.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:56 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [MV] 4th of July...+ 2 cents on Canibals
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Gee, asking to talk to my CO maybe ?
> > > > > > And I thought I'd made it clear on the list that some of my
> > > experiances
> > > > > have
> > > > > > been during my time with the Guard.
> > > > > > But we use the same rules and regulations, other than being
> woefully
> > > > > > underfunded for the task.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Ida Heath [mailto:spike@defuniak.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:12 PM
> > > > > > > To: paul carrier
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MV] 4th of July...+ 2 cents on Canibals
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What, exactly, part of my comment sounded like a threat,
> > > a threat of
> > > > > what?
> > > > > > > This is the first I have known about the thread being
> > > anything to do
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > the national guard. I spent my entire twenty two years on
> > > > > active duty,
> > > > > > > about eighteen of that being across different ponds, so you
> > > > > have lost me
> > > > > > > here mixing up national guard with the active Army. For
> > > all I know
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > regualtions and standard operating procedures could be
> > > > > totally different
> > > > > > > than active Army. I had no desire to discuss NG's with this
> list
> > > > > > > nor will I
> > > > > > > ever, because I know nothing about it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sonny
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: paul carrier <paulc@teleport.com>
> > > > > > > To: Ida Heath <spike@defuniak.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:13 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [MV] 4th of July...+ 2 cents on Canibals
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And why is that ? Because I speak real world from my
> > > > > > > perspective ? I know
> > > > > > > > the system, use it when at all possible. But there
> were times
> > > > > > > when we knew
> > > > > > > > it was going to break down and planned accordingly.
> > > > > > > > You need to understand the funding constraints the
> > > national guard
> > > is
> > > > > > > working
> > > > > > > > under. It was not unusual to defer repairing tanks
> because the
> > > > > > > money just
> > > > > > > > wasn't there to do it.
> > > > > > > > One of our subordinate units has a 5 ton expando van that is
> > > > > > > excess and to
> > > > > > > > be lateral. You know it should be 10/20 to transfer but the
> > > loosing
> > > > > unit
> > > > > > > > doesn't have the budget, being a small detachment.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm out of the maintenance business right now so talking to
> > > > > my current
> > > > > > > > commander won't do you much good. And if you think my
> > > > > > > detachment commander
> > > > > > > > didn't know you are dreaming. Or the BN commander
> of the unit
> we
> > > > > > > supported.
> > > > > > > > Or his boss the brigade commander. Their focus during those
> two
> > > week
> > > > > > > annual
> > > > > > > > training were to get their tank and Bradley crews
> > > qualified and to
> > > > > give
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > some company level maneuver time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And your comment sure sound's like a threat. I'm in
> AKO. Look
> me
> > > up.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Ida Heath [mailto:spike@defuniak.com]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:35 AM
> > > > > > > > > To: paul carrier
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MV] 4th of July...+ 2 cents on Canibals
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Paul,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to get yourself informed. Give me your
> > > commanders name
> > > > > > > > > and contact
> > > > > > > > > info please. I need to converse with him/her.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I made it clear that I wasn't bragging but you're damm
> right,
> > > > > > > I'm proud
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > what I accomplished.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sonny
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: paul carrier <paulc@teleport.com>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:06 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MV] 4th of July...+ 2 cents on Canibals
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I guess you must have never worked DS to Cav.
> > > > > > > > > > Or working inside the funding constraints the National
> > > > > > > Guard is under.
> > > > > > > > > > 150 line limit on the PLL list chief. You still have to
> have
> > > > > > > > > the finds to
> > > > > > > > > > buy those PLL items. No monies no PLL.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You can stop tooting your horn now chief, we can all
> > > > > > > > > acknowledge you were
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > better troop than Audey Murphy and Georgie Patton
> combined.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> > > > > > [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On
> > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Ida Heath
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:38 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MV] 4th of July...+ 2 cents on Canibals
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You people can support wrong doing if you wish but I
> don't.
> > > > > > > > If the Army
> > > > > > > > > > supply system was utilized properly there would be
> > > no need or
> > > > > > > > reason for
> > > > > > > > > > swapping parts. It isn't fair to the mechanic doing the
> > > double
> > > > > > > > > > work nor is
> > > > > > > > > > it fair to the system. Demand cryteria creates stockage
> > > > > > > > authorization.
> > > > > > > > > > Three demands in 180 days gives you the
> authority to pick
> it
> > > > > > > > up on your
> > > > > > > > > > precscribed load list and one demand keeps it
> on hand. How
> > > > > > > > much simpler
> > > > > > > > > > could it be? I even took the demands when I went
> > > to the cann
> > > > > > > > > > point. I did
> > > > > > > > > > my job the way it was supposed to be done, my mechanics
> and
> > > > > > > > > > supervisors were
> > > > > > > > > > happy, they had ample time to do their job properly and
> > > > > everybody
> > > > > > > > received
> > > > > > > > > > outstanding evaluation reports and everybody, including
> > > myself,
> > > > > > > > > > got promoted
> > > > > > > > > > ahead, in most cases, of people in units that
> were hanging
> > > used
> > > > > > parts
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > doing their own maintenance with a pencil. Your way
> > > > > will work but
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > makes things a hellava lot harder. and I'am of
> the opinion
> > > > > > > > that there is
> > > > > > > > > > absolutely NO ryme or reason to do out of echelon work,
> > > > > thats just
> > > > > > > > asking
> > > > > > > > > > for trouble.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I made Sergeant First Class (E-7) in the
> secondary zone of
> > > > > > > > consideration,
> > > > > > > > > > the fastest any soldier in the Army could have made it
> > > > > so come on,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > > > have done something right. If all my equipment was
> > > sitting on
> > > > > > > > > > deadline, the
> > > > > > > > > > unit unable to perform its mission, do you really
> > > think that I
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > gotten where I did? Don't think so.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Okay, okay, I'll shut up.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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