From: Glenn Shaw (mpmutt@mtaofnj.us)
Date: Thu Oct 07 2004 - 09:30:55 PDT
Bio Diesel is taxed for the highway maintenance fund at the retail pump. If
you make it yourself technically you need to submit records and taxes to the
IRS. Most people making it themselves just fall through the cracks.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Martin [mailto:mung@in-touch.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] Fuel Question Not the same anymore
Good post Wayne...but it brings up another question, What about the
people running bio-diesel for fuel...such as French fry oil or such?
Fred Martin
Wayne Harris wrote:
>> From the net. http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/FAQ/diesel_fuel.htm
>
>
> Off road diesel and the diesel for the newer trucks and cars are not
> the
> same. The fuel at the pump maked "Highway Diesel #2" means that the
> sulfur level is approved for highway use and catalytic converters.
> Diesel #2 is heavier than #1. It also (usually) has lower Cetane and
> more heat energy per gallon than #1. #2 will tend to form wax crystals
> and gel at temperatures below 10 degrees F. Most winter fuels are a
> blend of #1 and #2, but when it gets really cold add fuel conditioner to
> avoid clogging the fuel filter with wax crystals
>
>
>
> Off road fuel still has the sulfur which affects wear, deposits, and
> particulate emissions. Diesel fuels contain varying amounts of various
> sulfur compounds which increase oil acidity. Legislation has reduced the
> sulfur content of highway fuel to 0.05% by weight. Off road fuel has an
> average of 0.29% sulfur by weight.
>
> fuels, DOT inspectors, and the perils of having dyed fuel in a tank.
> Here are the high points:
>
> Off road Diesel #2 and fuel oil # 2 differ only in the tax applied at
> the time of sale. Both are dyed red.
>
> Kerosene #1 and #2 are lighter than #1 and #2 diesel fuel. Most
> kerosene
> is dyed red.
>
> The old method of winter treatment using 1 gal of kerosene to 10 gal
> of
> diesel can get a driver into trouble unless it is dispensed as clear
> kerosene from a pump which charges road tax.
>
> Any red dye in a tank of fuel is detectable by the sampler the DOT
> uses,
> even when diluted by a large quantity of undyed fuel. As little as 1/2
> qt of ATF in a tank of fuel will be detected as untaxed fuel and can
> cause a major headache for the driver.
>
> In VA, fines for using dyed fuel (untaxed) begin at $1000and go up
> rapidly from there. Road checks for untaxed fuel began in northern VA,
> and have now spread throughout the state.
>
> Q: What is the difference between #1 Diesel and K1 Kerosene? K1
> kerosene is a low-sulfur kerosene that is made for use in space
> heaters, lamps, etc. - and not for use in vehicles or generators. It
> is also not taxed so would be illegal to use in "on-road" vehicles.
>
> Lower lubricity is likely as the viscosity decreases. While this may
> not
> cause catastrophic instant damage, it could cause long-term wear of
> pumps, etc. Four semi-annual surveys for years 1990-1992 showed national
> averages as such for viscosity (represented in milliPascal-seconds (mPa
> . s)(=centipoise) cSt)
>
> Diesel # 1 1.33
> Diesel # 2 3.20
> Kerosene 1.63
> Both Kerosene and Diesel # 1 are less dense than Diesel # 2 and will
> thus have a slight reduction (~3%) in BTU per gallon. This would likely
> be reflected in lower fuel economy.
>
>> From: grntrks@juno.com
>> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MV] Fuel Question
>> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:05:18 -0500
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>> The red dye in the fuel only does 2 things--- identifies untaxed fuel
>> ( road use taxes ) and leaves a detectable marker in the exhaust
>> residue in the exhaust pipes. This dye, when found in a " highway "
>> vehicle is considered tangible evidence that the vehicle owner has
>> attempted to avoid paying the " highway tax " by consuming untaxed
>> fuel illegally. I don't remember how high the fine is, but it's high
>> enough that I figured it wasn't worth getting caught. (something on
>> the order of $2,000.00 - first offense. - might be higher, just don't
>> remember. ) In Texas during the annual vehicle inspection, while
>> checking exhaust emissions the vehicle is also checked for dye
>> traces. If found, you are guilty PERIOD.
>>
>>
>> Frank Cox ' Nam 1966
>> MVPA 14530
>> '45 GMC 353 DUKW
>> '66 M35A2 w/w
>> "On-A-Mission" hot shot trucking
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:42:11 -0400 "Ed Kirkley"
>> <mojoedd@bellsouth.net>
>> writes:
>> > Hi Gang,
>> >
>> > A friend has a supply of "off road use only" fuel for his farm
>> > tractors and such. It is dyed red in color but seems to be
>> > standard diesel. Can this be
>> > used in M-1009s, Humvees, Duce and half's, etc.? Can using this
>> > fuel in any
>> > way harm your vehicles???? With the cost of fuel being what it is
>> > this
>> > seems like a valid question and I told him that I had just the place
>> > to find
>> > out.........What say you esteemed listers????
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>
>
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