From: James Shanks (n1vbn@arrl.net)
Date: Sun Oct 17 2004 - 16:12:31 PDT
Ohio Tool Company
Jim
At 06:30 PM 10/17/2004, Sonny Heath wrote:
>Jim,
>
>Where are those scary tools used for removing glowplugs sold. I would
>rather have one and not need it than I would to need it and not have it.
>Who knows, I may decide to get it out and wave it around every once in a
>while, and say "Okay you sonsab*&^%*$#^%&* I may put this on ya"
>
>Sonny
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: James Shanks <n1vbn@arrl.net>
>To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [MV] 6.2 l glow plug removal tools
>
>
> >
> > Yes Ron,
> >
> > I was loaned an OTC glow plug removal tool brand new in the box
> > with directions yet!! What a concept! I waved it at the engine before I
> > started to remove them and wonder of wonders, that new tool sure did the
> > job just fine...scared the living daylights out of the old glow plugs so
> > bad they all came out without so much as grumble. A couple to be sure
> > thought about complaining but came out easy as could be in the end. Now I
> > need to replace the glow plug controller I screwed up.
> >
> > Think your bad Ron? I took a perfectly running glow plug
> > controller and made it so it still lights the light the proper time but
> > won't even think of closing the glow plug relay to feed juice to the glow
> > plugs so I have to do it manually.
> >
> > HINT!!!!
> >
> > An easier way to start manual glow plug engines when cold
> >
> > 1. Crank engine over BEFORE pressing the glow plug button
>for
> > 5 or 6 seconds then leave key on and press glow plug on for 4 or 5 seconds
> > and immediately engage the starter motor. It works the cookies on
> > mine...better to heat up a fuel air mixture instead of cold air
>only...warm
> > fuel in the cylinder starts lots easier than cold fuel in the injection
> > fuel lines. Oh yeah make sure you tromp on accelerator to set the high
>idle
> > before engaging starter.
> >
> >
> >
> > By the way .....the OTC glow plug removal tool was returned a
> > Virgin. Still hasn't been used to date but it's great at scaring em..
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:54 AM 10/17/2004, Michael Howell, DO wrote:
> > >I was going through old email because I need to replace some of my glow
> > >plugs. I was wondering what you thought of the snap on tool when it came
> > >in? How did you get the rest of the plugs out?
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >Tishomingo, MS
> > >M1010
> > >M1009
> > >
> > >Ron wrote:
> > >
> > >> ALL my glow plugs are toast due to a failed glow plug relay. The
>relay
> > >>was an aftermarket type, rated for 12 VDC. It could not handle 15, or
>maybe
> > >>18 VDC and cooked in the ON mode.
> > >> Food for thought. When you have a glow plug that fails, the voltage
> > >>available to the other 7 goes up by 1/8 or 1.5 volts. So with 8 working
> > >>plugs getting 12 volts, an 8 second pre heat with a manual push button
>works
> > >>fine. But loose one and the other 7 are now seeing 13.5 and that 8
>second
> > >>pre heat is too much, so another one fails. Now the other 6 are seeing
>15
> > >>volts, so 6 seconds are deadly, so another one fails and we repeat the
> > >>sequence, etc., etc, etc. So what is cheaper, a new glow plug controller
> > >>card that SENSES the preheat temperature and cycles the remaining plugs
>with
> > >>in limits, or spending a couple of hundred dollars on tools and a bunch
>of
> > >>hours disassembling the truck and cursing the designers and GM and
>anyone
> > >>else involved in the piss poor design of this system because the system
>was
> > >>bypassed with a manual push button? Maybe if you use the push button
>method,
> > >>you should install an indicator light hooked onto the glow plug side of
>the
> > >>relay to tell you your glow plugs are cooking after you release the push
> > >>button cause the relay has failed in the "ON" mode and it's already too
>late
> > >>to save the plugs AND a voltmeter so you can tell when you have cooked a
> > >>plug cause of an extra chipmunk or two.
> > >>
> > >> Meanwhile, back at the engine compartment...
> > >>
> > >> Anyone used the Owens Export glow plug removal tool and have any
> > >>opinions?
> > >>
> > >> How about the Snap On glow plug socket for the 6.2l?
> > >>
> > >> TOOL REVIEW:
> > >> After playing with the OTC 6005 GPR Tool today, I can say it is a
>clever
> > >>idea if your mushroomed glow plugs are in an engine that is out of the
> > >>truck, mounted on an engine stand with the exhaust manifolds removed. If
> > >>not, you can pass on it.
> > >> A tool that worked pretty good on 3 mushroomed plugs was a GM door
>trim
> > >>removal tool. It looks like a big tack puller and fit below the threaded
> > >>section of the head of the glow plug and over the shaft of the glow plug
> > >>once the threads cleared the block. Using an air ratchet and 3/8 deep
>socket
> > >>my friend was able to apply leverage against the plug while spinning it
>and
> > >>the damaged plugs slowly 'screwed' themselves out.
> > >> The other 5 will have to await the arrival of the Owens and Snap On
> > >>tools.
> > >> Anyone got any other methods, short of C4, that have worked?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > James Shanks
> > n1vbn@arrl.net
> > 1985 M1009
> > 1998 IMZ 8.103
> > 1984 H-D FLHT-C
> >
> >
> >
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James Shanks
n1vbn@arrl.net
1985 M1009
1998 IMZ 8.103
1984 H-D FLHT-C
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