From: bruce C. Beattie (bruce@eecs.berkeley.edu)
Date: Tue Dec 07 2004 - 13:39:13 PST
Crazy Idea....
Small one shot type rocket engine which can be pointed for or aft, as a
last resort
quick exit. This won't be all that controlable, but if designed right it might
remove you from the emediate
area in time to recover the situation.
Bruce MVPA 23824
Steve Grammont wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
> As a Special Forces friend of mine said to me (paraphrasing)... "Iraq is
> the last place in the world you want to find yourself in need of roadside
> assistance". So not only must the vehicle be able to safely go from A to
> B, it needs to be built in such a way as to minimize the chances that it
> gets stuck inbetween. And if that should happen, maximize the chances
> that help can come and come quickly.
>
> Based on feedback I've seen from ops in Iraq, I'd say:
>
> 1. Armor capable of defeating small arms fire 360deg. Forget about RPG
> protection as it isn't practical.
>
> 2. Heavy armor plating under all seat areas to increase the chances of
> surviving a small sized IED. Would be nice to see that kind of plating
> on the doors too, but that is much harder to do effectively. Large sized
> IEDs can't be defended against, especially from side blasts, so there is
> no point compromising the vehicle's other features for something that
> won't work.
>
> 3. Adequate cooling and ventilation for driving "buttoned up".
>
> 4. Runflat tires. The driver should be able to choose where a flat tire
> is to be changed, not the tire or the people who might have "arranged"
> for it to become flat.
>
> 5. Radio with someone listening to the other end who is capable of
> getting you help if needed. Sounds rather "no brainer", but
> unfortunately there have been problems with this in remote areas.
>
> 6. Armored housing for Radio, GPS, and other critical systems with
> integrated backup power. This is something I just thought up on my own.
> After looking at internal damage it would appear this is necessary if
> any survivors are to make use of the equipment. A shredded radio doesn't
> do much...
>
> 7. Overall, simple and easy to maintain mechanical components. For
> example, having a complex ventilation system means nothing if it is
> broken and can't be fixed.
>
> 8. Reinforced frame capable of taking the edge off a high speed roll
> over or collision. Would be a shame to get flipped over by an IED and
> die from catastrophic frame failure rather than the IED itself.
>
> 9. Engine, drivetrain, and suspension capable of handling all these
> modifications *AND* still having plenty of "get up and go" left over. An
> overworked vehicle is an unreliable vehicle. And in Iraq, unreliable is
> inherently unsafe.
>
> Other features, such as winches and gun positions, I would suspect as
> being unnecessary if the vehicle is to operate alongside of military
> vehicles. But since things tend to be used "out of context" it might be
> good to add some of these things even if they are not expected to be used.
>
> Steve
>
> >Alright guys, I've got a hypothetical for you.
> >
> > You're going to build a vehicle that will
> >keep up with Military operations and operate in
> >the field alongside the military but owned and
> >operated by a civilian/corporation. We're talking
> >about a HMMWV sized vehicle or similar.
> >
> > What configuration of vehicle would you build?
> >
> > What key features would you specify (electrics, tires, winch, ctis) why?
> >
> > What separations would you make from standard
> >military vehicles since cost isn't as much of an
> >issue for several hundred thousand units, you're
> >building a handful at most.
> >
> > What other issues do you see arising?
> >
> >
> >--
> > Ryan Gill rmgill@SPAMmindspring.com
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