From: Bruce C. Beattie (bruce@eecs.berkeley.edu)
Date: Thu Dec 09 2004 - 14:09:05 PST
Good post Cliff!
Bruce MVPA 23824
Cliff S wrote:
> Okay when I get on here you know its to come to the truth and to make
> sure all you understand what is going on out here. I just saw
> something on the "pentagon channel" that got my chain pulled.
>
> Some Specialist was talking about (and I did not hear his original
> gripe) how he has to "go to the dump to get armor". Just what exactly
> is he talking about? No he is not going to the local landfill like
> the reporters were asking this General now. Hell the General doesnt
> get down that low anymore to talk to the Specialists ranks. Come
> on!!! The E-3 is talking about how he goes to the lot where the blown
> up vehicles are stored and he picks off the pieces that are still
> good, and puts them on his vehicle.
>
> Next question was about armor. "how much is enough". What kind of
> question is that??? How much money would you like? Thats more like
> it............Gee, Until no one gets hurt is ENOUGH armor, right?
> Well how much can a Hummer take? Not the extra 4,000 pounds and still
> have some get up and go. Like we have been talking here.
>
> How many vehicles do we have with X armor on them? Well the ones that
> dont have it, are ones that we havent fitted it with yet. So those of
> you who want it on now..........GET OFF YOU BUTTS AND COME OVER HERE
> AND HELP OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If
> you got all the answers get into politics, figure out the bigger
> picture and we will see how your "plan" makes it to realization. More
> like circular file...........thats the trash can for those of you who
> dont know.
>
> Oh by the way, yes your all right, the Hummer was never intended to be
> armored! It was a troop/cargo carrier. Things intended to defeat
> explosions are called armor from the factory. Like Armored Cars,
> Tanks, and Armored Personel Carriers. Get the picture now?
>
> Stop being an armchair quarterback! Okay my rant is almost over!
>
> Just how long is an "involuntary extention" ????? Anyone?????
>
> And extention can be 1 day to 6 months. So what, he was extended 3
> days is that it????? Or has be been extended 18 months past his
> rotation date??? Anyone care to take a wild guess on this one???? Do
> you really believe that someone would be extended 18 months Past
> his/her rotation and not have gotten some benefit out of it. You
> didnt hear them chattering away about the friggin bonus they got out
> of it though did you? $30,000 tax free???? Anyone wanna make a bet
> on this? Doubt it.
>
> Oh the Volunteer force...........What, he got "caught" and had to do
> some time in a combat zone and not just get some free money to go to
> college. Instead of 1weekend a month. I do think that the
> enlistment is void if there is any lying going on. Was he forced to
> sign the contract? NO! Was he forced to go into the Service? NO!!
> So who is the crybaby now?
>
> Stop Loss is unfortunate. But it keeps all of us safe. Even those of
> you who Bash the President. Dont like whats going on???? Get your
> butts out here and relieve me! WE have flights leaving everyday.
> Dont like the service you say, .......Good, get out of the country I
> defend.
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> Cliff Smith SSgt USMC Iraq
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> From: "Steve Grammont" <islander@midmaine.com> To: "Military Vehicles
> Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org> Subject: Re: [MV] Improvised armor
> for MV in Iraq Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:24:10 -0500 As it so happens I
> heard Rumsfeld today being peppered with questions from troops about
> why they are still driving around without adequate armor. Rumsfeld
> stated that it was a matter of production and logistics holding things
> up, not money or desire. I'm sure his answers made everybody there
> feel all warm and fuzzy. There was another tough question I heard,
> something like "I'm going on my 3rd involuntary extension of service,
> when can I go home?" and implying that we no longer have an all
> volunteer armed forces. He dodged this question rather poorly by
> simply restating what the Stop Loss order is and that he feels it is
> unfortunate that it is needed. Since this was the man that overruled
> the Army's troop projections prior to getting into this war, and also
> the man that said all our troops would be out by this past summer, I
> felt he had a moral responsibility to answer this soldier's question
> straight on instead of dodging it like a cowardly politician. Not his
> choice surprised me. Steve >Bjorn, that is exactly what I and
> approximately 200,000 other people are >asking, along with
> approximately 500 other questions about this fiasco. > >Senator Joe
> Biden, this morning on Imus, predicted a "rebellion" (his word) >in
> the near future, starting with the Republican (yes, Republican) Senate
> >and working its way into the electorate. We are looking at 4 more
> years of >this war, and the questions far outweigh the answers at this
> point. > >Keep thinking, and keep asking!!! > >apb > > >----- Original
> Message ----- >From: "Bjorn Brandstedt" <super_deuce@hotmail.com> >To:
> "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org> >Sent:
> Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:19 PM >Subject: Re: [MV] Improvised
> armor for MV in Iraq > > >> How are IED's triggered? By remote
> control? Perhaps the signal can be >> jammed. >> Bjorn >> >> > >
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