Steve, your right! your right! But first turn off your leftist TV and get out from behind the wall that you have built to try to betray the country you live in with so much power from your own chair.
I will end this. Not because your better than I. Nor I better than you. You have no sense of what is going on around you, and to look at both sides of what is going on. Not just the liberated press that we brought in here with us.
I started the first response to get all of you to understand that the press is playing you for a fool that you are and believe what they tell you. Any press has a slated view of what is going on. You just keep looking to the side that says we screwed up over here. We may have, It is not a perfect war, but which one is. I would rather fight it here, and I am, than have my 5 year old daughter see it any other way than how she does. She has no worries. And I make it that way.
And only for you Steve, I hope that you do live in Maine, as that is as far away from me as I can make you in the United States of America, God Bless, and Good night to this conversation. I (like many others) will only hit delete from your posts from now on.
To the list, sorry for my tyrade as I am tired of the BS that the news pumps out. Please dont believe them.
Cliff Smith SSgt USMC Iraq
From: "Steve Grammont" <islander@midmaine.com> To: "Cliff S" <mtnbikinssgt@hotmail.com>, MV <mil-veh@mil-veh.org> Subject: Re: [MV] Improvised armor for MV in Iraq Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:36:03 -0500 Cliff, Seems you are inclined to turn this into a personal thing. If you want to continue that, fine, but it should be done off list. I'll reply once more on list and let you choose what to do next. >Steve, do you live in a one roomed shack up in the hills? Insults won't win arguments, Cliff. It's why I haven't insulted you, though I could because insulting is the easiest thing in the world to do. If you can't stick to a rational discussion, don't waste your time replying. > ...."....In 4 >more years" I will have been in the Marines 21 years. I know whats going >on. Ah, then you must have known
that you would find no WMD in Iraq before we went in and found this out the hard way. History is the final judge, as they say. I'm sure a little less than 40 years ago there was a Marine just like you saying the same thing about what was going on in Vietnam. >I work right next to the Generals that run this place. "Being there" doesn't necessarily equate to "being right". That applies to Generals to. Mark Clark come to anybody's mind? >Your thinking is so twisted and convoluted that you get lost in your own >thoughts. Thanks for the further insults, but I think my points are perfectly clear, level headed, and quite fair. If you care to point out where my logic gets all "twisted and convoluted", have at it. I will say, however, that your earlier "rant" was so difficult to follow I chose not to respond because I wasn't sure what your point was or who it was addressed to. That's the
problem with "rants.. >I never said "to kill them" I said we need to get to the bottom of the >barrel! My point is the same, whether they are killed or locked up. So let me rephrase. Any military policy that uses a "body count" (killed, wounded, locked up, etc.) mentality to gauge its effectiveness is bound to fail. Especially when that enemy outnumbers us on their own home turf. The war will not be won if attrition is the main focus. > All this after they use no >genevea convention rules to kill us........................go figure. Because that is part of the geneva convention. It is what separates a professional army representing a great democracy from the thugs and murderers terrorist states use. Steve