Re: [MV] fuel

From: MV (MV@dc9.tzo.com)
Date: Mon Apr 04 2005 - 15:07:14 PDT


I might be nuts enough to try something like that myself also.

How much pressure had to be maintained on the oil when it is heated to
1300 degrees? That would determine piping size, etc.

If that is all that is required to crack the oil? A regular
distillation column should work to separate the lights from the heavies.
  I thought the refineries were using some type of catalyst to crack the
fuel at lower temperatures now?? Well water could be an easy way to
cool the column, especially if you have a well.

A feed pump would be required obviously, some type of pressure control
system with some control valves and a automatic heat control system.

The resultant mixture could be separated with a conventional
distillation column. I'm not too sure what my neighbors would think of
that. But compared to what I have done before, they might not even
notice. (:->)

I'm surprised that no one makes small cracking units already?

I work on industrial process controls as my profession and have done
work on ethanol production equipment. (Neutral spirits - AKA - Vodka)

A lot of what you would probably need can be obtained on the used
equipment market. Even the controls.

Dave

earl.beverly@us.abb.com wrote:
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>
>
> Hi Gene, Hi All,
>
> I actually work in the business. I am the lead engineer for an ethylene
> cracking/poly ethylene unit that ABB is building in Rio De Janeiro, Brazil.
> I have worked in several gasoline/diesel refineries, so I am not new to the
> process. (I should be in Rio until September).
>
> The trick that I am looking to build is "small". There is a guy selling a
> three million dollar, 10 acre, 16,000 gallons per day unit out of South
> Carolina. That is quite a bit more than I am looking for. I am thinking
> everything in a 4'x8'x4' package and producing 100 gallons per day. Maybe
> everything in 8'x8'x40' container with 100 gpd.
>
> I am hoping to gain from anyone's practical experience with Lab scale
> thermal cracking and separating. The idea being to;
>
> Heat the oil to about 1300 deg F. This will break the oil into light ends,
> raw gasoline, and fuel oil. The gasses and gasoline are used to fire the
> furnace, the fuel oil gets filtered, stored, and used. This is an overly
> simplified version, but you get the idea.
>
> Once again - looking for practical experience or even thoughts on the
> subject.
>
> Thanks, Earl
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message from "SGM PANTANO" <TRUKS1@msn.com> received on 04/04/2005 01:07 PM
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> It has been done..it is being done.. Many oil companies used to buy back
> drain oil and re --refine it. The E FRIGGING PA stopped most of it.. Go to
> a
> local refinery if you have one...and ask them.. It was a very simple
> operation..but -- it was very cost effective and made cheap fuel -- so the
> EPA stopped it..
> Gene
>
>
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>>Hi All,
>>
>>I want to run waste motor oil. I am looking at;
>>1. filtering and warming.
>>2. filtering and warming and mixing with diesel.
>>3. building a "lab" size cracking package to break down the wmo to diesel
>>and other gas/oils. Just big enough to meet my needs and run 24/7.
>>
>>Anyone got any experience along this avenue, especially #3 ?
>>
>>Six M-35A2's (two are parts)
>>One M-51 Dump
>>One M-54 Cargo
>>Two 5kw Gensets (the only power for my home)
>>One 15kw Genset (new to me gov. genset in a sound proofed 8'x8'x28'
>>container - will be home power)
>>One Bucyrus Erie Crane - Diesel
>>One Backhoe - Diesel
>>One Chevy one ton PU - Diesel
>>One Mercedes Car - Diesel
>>
>>
>>
>>I NEED DIESEL!
>>
>>Earl
>>
>>
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