From: Terry & Carolyn Welshans (welshans2@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Apr 25 2005 - 18:42:06 PDT
Steve said:
I have 2 WW2 gensets: 10kw PE95 and 3kw 3 phase M5
The PE95 is painted faded WW2 OD and the M5 appears
to be painted 50's 24087.
Were all the gensets in WW2 painted 34087 ( WW2 OD )?
Thanks
Steve AKA Dr Deuce
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Steve, I am an FNG here, but I have done a little research on olive drab
paint for our weasels.
Here is an article that you may or may not know about:
[Quote]
Author Pete Harlem, Cutler Ridge, FL, USA.
The U.S. Army used a crude numbering system for its paints that dates back
to the late WW2. They have called Olive-Drab shade #9 through the 40's, 50's
and 60's even though the actual paint entered the FS (Federal Stock) number
system in the 50's. There is considerable confusion on the WW2 shade because
the airplane modeler and real aircraft restorers have suckered for a
different shade which was introduced in WW2 but never produced in quantity
before war ended. They maintain that the shade was used but reliable sources
say it never got to the troops or the aircraft. Testor's OD (34087) is
closer to the WW2 shade but should only be used for U.S. Army helicopters in
Vietnam. Only those used 34087 in the 60's, the vehicles being universally
darker. [/Quote]
That is the first paragraph on a whole page located at
http://www.mil-mod.nl/featod.html.
In summary:
The FS595b color scheme was invented in 1956, following a scheme called
TT-C-595 which was from 1950. So 34087 was not used until some time the
1960's. Today, the FS595b books do not have 14087, 24087, 34087 shade chips
as they were discontinued. The nearest matches now are FS595b shades 14084,
24084 and 34084.
The color stated in that article "Olive Drab #9" is no longer available from
any source except 60 year old NOS paint that you might find in a 5 gallon
pail. I found one in 1974 and the paint was as thick as tar, but worked OK
after thinning to 50%. The paint was officially named "Lusterless Olive
Drab shade #9" in some of the old purchasing contracts that I have seen.
By the way, the first digit after the FS is the amount of sheen that the
paint has. A "1" is glossy, a "2" is semi-gloss and a "3" is flat. Many
folks have written that "Lusterless" means "semi-gloss", not flat, so the
"2" series paints my be more accurate. I personally prefer the flat look.
I have found that the two most often quoted paint numbers for WWII OD are
"319" and "FS34087". Another color that many folks feel more closely
matches "Lusterless OD" is FS33070. I like this color more than the FS33070
color as it is more brown, while the FS34087 is more green. That old can of
paint that I had was more brown than green.
It is said that "319" was never used until after the war, although it was
approved in 1944.
If you want to see color swatches for the FS colors, this link:
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorserver/ can do that for you. All you need
to do is type in the FS number (up to four at a time to see them together)
on your monitor. You won't get 34087, 319 or #9, however.
Regards,
Terry Welshans
Homer Glen, Illinois
"Always do right- this will gratify some and astonish the rest. "
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
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