From: tsgcdo Dragisich (tsgcdo@msn.com)
Date: Sat May 21 2005 - 22:36:09 PDT
David,
I too have been watching this thread with a lot interest since I happen to
be a veteran and a Reenactor/MV collector. I also have many years of
experience putting on all kinds of MV and Reenactment type events.
I don't Tim, have heard of him but wouldn't know him if I saw him. I do
know that Tim attended a WW2 D-Day Reenactment ( that featured US Navy
Landing Craft, USAF Aircraft, vintage aircraft, WW2 MV's, close to 400
reenactors and we even had areas designated for Post-War MV's, the Army
Reserve and Indiana Army National Guard! ) that we put on at Michigan
City, Indiana a few years ago. The reason that I remember his name is that
he wrote and posted an AAR of our event on various lists. One tends to
remember the names of people that flame you/the event, etc., (as some people
have done with the Tim's WW2 MV Convoy) or write something that makes you
scratch your head (Tim's AAR of the Michigan City event). Tim, in case
you're wondering what I'm referring to, it's the part where you wrote that
we "were
trying to pass off a desert camo M35A2 as a WW2 Deuce" :^)
With regards to the Veteran's Day Parade: the organizers have the right to
invite whomever they want. The comment about " not a "living history
event" nor a "costume ball" shows a total lack of understanding of the
reenactor/MV Collector. When Reenactors/MV Collectors such as myself read
these types of statements, it's just a simple reminder of why a lot of us
don't belong to the MVPA.
The WW2 MV Convoy: According to what I've read & heard about this event it
is about to taking WWII vehicles, loading them with WWII reenactors, and
traveling to a bunch of small towns and visiting them. Sounds simple
enough. Well, it now seems that less than a handful of people are PO'd at
the organizer for not allowing their Post-War MV's into the WW2 THEMED
EVENT! What's up with that? Can't find any other events to take your
vehicles to? How about putting on your own event?
Mike Dragisich
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From: <multifuelreo@aol.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] MV's not allowed to participate in the Veteran's Day
> I have watched this thread with considerable interest.
>
> It seems from the remark to the effect, "my WWII-era Jeep is welcome to
> the parade, and I am welcome in my current issue military uniform - but
> I am not welcome in my reenactor garb" that the parade officials want
> to have a VETERAN'S day parade - not a "living history event" nor a
> "costume ball."
>
> I have the greatest respect for reenactors and those doing living
> history.....but as you walk down main street in Columbia Mo. on a
> parade route, you are not stopping to educate the public - there is not
> an announcer going to be walking two feet away explaining the detail of
> your web gear.
>
> Tim organized a tour of Missouri - it is not a REENACTMENT - but a
> group of folks supposedly riding around in their WWII-era vehicles - or
> vehicles made to look like WWII-era vehicles - or folks in 18-wheelers
> and Excursions he has invited and changed his policy for. He is the
> organizer, and it is his prerogative to do so - just like the folks
> running the Veterans Day Parade can set their own policy. Tim has
> stuck to his guns about excluding non-WWII MVs (with the exceptions
> listed above) - and it is his right to do so. Likewise, if the parade
> organizers say "No reenactors" - that is there right, and he shouldn't
> complain.
>
> In my mind, aside from the apparent hypocrisy of "I can exclude who I
> want, but no one can exclude me" where this crosses the line is when
> the line is when the MVPA actively endorses exclusionary events under
> the auspices of the National organization. By exclusionary I do not
> mean segregated (vehicles that is) - if the WWII vehicles are parked
> here, and Vietnam there, and German over there - that is fine BUT if
> the handbill says "East Tunica Chapter of the MVPA presents....," then
> all eras and nationlalities should be welcome. If the hand bill says
> "Bill, Pete and Ted presents....." then they can say only GPW's built
> in Louisville's on odd-numbered Fridays are welcome" and be in their
> rights. Until the name and bylaws are changed to USWWIIMVPA, any event
> under the MVPA banner should be open to any preserved Military Vehicle
> - from a FT-17 to a Unimog. Want to have a WWI, WWII, Korea or
> Vietnam-only event - that is fine.....but don't put the MVPA seal on
> it, officially or unofficially.
>
> My .02,
> David Doyle
>
>
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