From: Sonny Heath (sonny@defuniak.com)
Date: Mon Aug 08 2005 - 05:57:27 PDT
You say that you can deal with tire wholesalers who supply tires to
manufacturers. I don't quite understand that statement, would you please
give an example of what you mean there? Why would a tire manufacturer need
a wholesaler to supply him with tires if he makes them?
I own a small tire business and I agree with Arthur 100%, been there, done
that, for twenty five years now.
Sonny
----- Original Message -----
From: "MV" <MV@dc9.tzo.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:54 PM
Subject: [MV] Tires and tire discounts
>
> Arthur,
>
> I have to take partial exception to what you say. I run a business and
> have a few trailers and a couple of trucks. I have found that since I
> have a business I can deal with tire wholesalers who supply tires to
> manufacturers. Sometimes these companies are distributors who have no
> retail areas at all. Othertimes I have dealt with larger retailers and
> they have even offered further discounts with them if I setup an account
> with their company. I just bought 6 tires from a wholesaler last week for
> a triaxle trailer and the tires mounted on new rims were $60 each. The
> same tire, if you were to buy from a retailer would be $70 without a rim.
> Retail demountable rims such as the ones supplied go for about $35 each
> retail. If I was to buy the same tires from my local tire dealer, they
> would have been $70+$35+$7 for mounting or $112 each. So I saved about
> $52 per tire and wheel. Now this is probably the extreme situation (I
> think?) but it illustrates how things can work.
>
> The only way I was able to do that was due to the fact that they are a
> wholesaler and they only want to deal with other companies. I knew what I
> wanted and the transaction took about 5 minutes.
>
> You can bet that trucking companies are not paying normal retail to setup
> their rigs also.
>
> There is a seller on Ebay selling used 11x20 NDT tires in the midwest
> (Iowa I think) at rock bottom prices. Like $25 each, etc. Shipping isn't
> cheap but perhaps a ride with a trailer in tow might be worth the savings.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> m35products wrote:
>> Your ideas are great, but unfortunately, a bit naive.
>>
>> To get a "good deal" on tires, you and your friends, or even your fellow
>> members of MVPA (once you join) will need to purchase an amount slightly
>> greater than 30 tires. Try 3,000, 30,000, or 300,000 tires. That amount
>> will
>> get the attention of the manufacturers. They may even allow you to
>> consider
>> yourself a dealer, but it's doubtful. Their other dealers might get a bit
>> upset, and call you names. The dealers who sell tires and who advertise
>> in
>> the MVPA journal already have figured out how to discount their products
>> to
>> the max, and still make a living. If it could be done, it would have been
>> done already. I needed 500 military tires for an overseas contract. I
>> paid
>> close to retail. I wasn't even allowed to talk to the factory for that
>> "small" amount of tires. Do you want to buy more than 500 tires at a
>> time?
>>
>> How many tires does your local tire RETAILER sell each year? The number
>> is
>> probably in the 10,000 to 100,000 range in a suburban setting. Find out,
>> and
>> then ask him if he needs a partner. Mention that you need thirty tires.
>> When
>> he stops laughing, spend the money to buy thirty tires at his asking
>> price,
>> and be content with the knowlege that he stands behind his products, will
>> honor warranties without question, and that he does this after paying
>> for:
>>
>> delivery,
>> storage,
>> tools,
>> inventory,
>> disposal fees,
>> licensing,
>> industry group memberships,
>> travel,
>> training,
>> advertising,
>> mortgage,
>> accounting fees,
>> phone/fax/internet,
>> office machinery,
>> paper supplies,
>> furniture,
>> repairs,
>> postage,
>> rent,
>> taxes,
>> security,
>> payroll,
>> insurance,
>> heat/light/AC,
>> donations to the ambulance and fire departments,
>> and coffee, donuts, and benefits for his employees.
>>
>> With the above business details in mind, why not set yourself up as a
>> major
>> tire distributor, then advertise in MVPA and other enthusiast magazines,
>> and
>> sell at a deep discount to other MVPA members? Then you will have
>> accomplished your goals. It should be easy, as I'm sure you have thought
>> all
>> this out. These expenses listed above are some things to consider when
>> formulating your business model. (You'll need to justify all of these to
>> your investors, by the way. It takes a huge chunk of money to start a
>> company up, and to keep it going. You're looking at a 10- to 20-year
>> payback
>> on investment.)
>>
>> How many MVPA members are there? How many buy NEW tires each year for
>> their
>> HMV's? How many of these fellows have the disposable income for tires,
>> even
>> at wholesale prices, rather than at surplus prices? How many miles does
>> each
>> HMV get driven each year? You're not talking the DoD, Verizon, Roadway,
>> FedEx, or the US Postal Service, here. I put 200 miles on one M35 last
>> year.
>> The 20-year old tires are a bit funky looking, but they hold air. That is
>> my
>> criterion for replacement. When my Fire Department needed 10 tires for
>> its
>> M35, we bought them from Saturn Surplus, and got a great deal. They were
>> matched, 90% tread, less than ten years old, came mounted on rims, and
>> cost
>> around $100 each, including delivery. Will you be able to beat that
>> price?
>> If so, put me down for ten tires.
>>
>> To get a good deal on other products and services, the same rules apply.
>> Ask
>> yourself what benefit any manufacturer would receive by selling a
>> ten-thousandth of a percent of his inventory to you and your buddies at a
>> discount. You have suggested a scheme to get tires cheaply. That is
>> commendable, but the expression that comes to mind is "Been there, tried
>> that, got rebuffed." This hobby, even more so than your average
>> vintage-car
>> club collecting, is not a poor man's hobby. And being in business in
>> this
>> hobby is being in a hobby business. Most of us have our day jobs, too.
>>
>> Step up to the plate, join the MVPA, and write the check for the tires.
>> As
>> Woody Allen said: "The high point of my childhood was going out with my
>> family and buying something retail."
>>
>> ***This email has been inspected, and is certified free of any
>> name-calling.***
>>
>> Arthur P. Bloom, Pres.
>> www.M35products.com
>>
>> Discount on all products for MVPA members.
>>
>> MVPA member #20238
>> Small business owner.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <santoken@bright.net>
>> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 11:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MV] ASSISTANCE REQUESTED & The MVPA
>>
>>
>>
>>>On another note, would anyone be interested in teaming up and perhaps
>>
>> trying to get some better deals on stuff that we all need? I for one
>> need
>> 10 tires, my close buddy here needs 20 tires. That's 30 tires. Anyone
>> else
>> need tires?
>>
>>
>>
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