From: MV (MV@dc9.tzo.com)
Date: Wed Aug 10 2005 - 08:13:55 PDT
Wow, this is pretty sad.
So what happened? These guys looked suspicious since they were going to
Pakistan, so the attendants stared at them, the guys got nervous (hey,
they know they are targets already - how would you feel??), the
attendants overreacted, diverted the plane, called out the swat team and
...... nothing happened.
Yep, that was some great work. Meanwhile the cargo containers on the
plane were not checked, but no one got poked by a nail clipper.
Why didn't they just take them out on the airport tarmac and shoot them
for excessive drinking and movement within the airplane!
Why would terrorists suck down as much alcohol as possible?
This is profiling at it's worst. They look suspicious since they are
talking and moving around and they are nervious, and they look like they
are from another country. This sounds like my wife on an airplane!!!
This is suppose to be encouraging?
I'm driving.
Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Darrell Ramsell wrote:
> I'm a Flight Attendant for a major airline and what Bill said has always
> bothered me too but unfortunately we can't enforce our laws in another
> country.
>
> I also had to laugh at the irony of our soldiers having to give up nose
> hair scissor but allowed to keep their guns.
>
> However, I want to let you know that their are people who are doing
> their jobs. A couple of weeks ago a United flight from LA to London was
> diverted to Boston because of suspicious activity of 3 middle eastern
> passenders aboard the flight. This is a reminder that the terrorist are
> still out there and watching us. Below is a copy of an e-mail from the
> #1 Flight Attendant on the flight.
>
>
> They're still out there, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, Diana
> Subject: UAL LAX-LHR flight 25Jul05
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:13:36 +0000
>
> LAX/LHR Flight
> 25 July, 2005
>
> Hi all...
> Many of you may have seen CNN and other news reports or read in the
> papers about the
> LAX/LHR flight that diverted to Boston to remove three suspicious
> passengers. Well, guess who was lucky enough to be the Purser on the
> flight? Thanks to those of you who have called or written with their
> concern. I am fine and other than a million reports I have to write, all
> is well.
>
> The three Pakistani passengers, two in BC seats (8A and 14D) and one in
> economy, got our attention before takeoff with self upgrading, moving
> about the plane, changing seats several times and asking the crew about
> our layover, where we stayed, etc. We basically ignored them and wrote
> them off as bothersome. During the bar service, two of the guys kept
> drinking a lot, and asking for refills before we got two rows away. Now
> we wrote them off as obnoxious, as well as annoying. We cut down the
> drinks to the guy in BC who wanted more scotch and wine with dinner.
> After the meal service, the guy in 8A, who hadn't said a word, got up
> and went to 14D and spoke with him for 10 minutes. We didn't even know
> they knew each other as they had no prior contact. The F/As in economy
> were concerned over the behavior of the economy passenger and asked for
> a name check. The cockpit got back to us to let us know all had gone
> through secondary clearance in LAX and were all ticketed to Islamabad,
> Pakistan. All the guys kept going to the bathroom and now we were
> checking the loos every time they came out. After 8A spoke with 14D, he
> (14D) went to economy and went straight to the overhead in 32CDE, took
> out a briefcase and brought it back to his BC seat. 32E was where the
> economy passenger was originally seated, but he had moved to 31G on the
> aisle. All the F/As were keeping an eye on these three and every time we
> would casually look at them, they were staring at us, watching
> everything we were doing. The economy guy went to the back galley and
> kept the duty free sellers busy by asking to see everything and having
> them open several items to the point where one of them wrote on a piece
> of paper to another F/A, "He's distracting us, see what's happening in
> the cabin"....
>
> I was communicating all this information to the cockpit, as well as our
> concerns. I don't think they took it as seriously as we did. That was
> until the economy guy went to the F/As in the back and asked them if we
> had been up in the air for 3 1/2 hours yet. He kept asking when 3 1/2
> hours would be. At the same time, the 14D guy went up to the BC F/As and
> asked if we'd been flying 3, 3 1/2 or 4 hours yet. Now most passengers
> ask how much longer we have to go and not if we've been flying a
> specific time, and we figured with all their drinking, they didn't want
> to know the time so they could face Mecca for their prayers. UAL and the
> pilots decided we needed to divert before we got over the Atlantic (we
> were about 3 1/2 hours out from LAX, over the Hudson Bay) so we did a
> slow turn and descent to Boston for 1:50 hours. We also pulled the
> circuit breaker on the airshow. About 5 minutes before landing, the
> Captain made announcement we had a navigational problem that needed to
> be looked at before we crossed the ocean. We were all watching the guys
> when they were told we were landing, and none reacted abnormally. We
> moved a very muscular passenger to seat 1E on the aisle and an SA to
> seat 1A and told them we had security issues and if anyone not in
> uniform came up the aisle towards the cockpit, they were to try and do
> anything to stop them. We also moved one of the F/As sitting up front
> (she is 5 foot and weighs about 100 pounds) to another jumpseat and
> moved another male F/A up front so there were three guys in the
> jumpseats by the cockpit. Having done that, we realized Karen, the F/A
> we moved, was so pissed off at these guys, she could have beat the shit
> out of all of them. The one nervous Nellie F/A who walked around with
> the ice mallet for the last two hours of the flight, we kept in the back
> where if anything did happen, he could scream and hit himself with the
> mallet. The Captain informed me just about everyone would meet the
> airplane. Knowing UAL, I was expecting a CSR Supervisor to come on and
> ask these passengers if they were terrorists and if not, would they like
> to join Mileage Plus....
>
> The landing was normal, and very quiet on the plane since it was 0300
> and most passengers were asleep when we woke them. We pulled to the
> gate, but the jetway didn't come toward us for two minutes. I looked out
> and saw about 30 swat team guys in flak jackets and machine guns. Well,
> I guess everyone figured out at this point it was not a navigational
> problem. As I went to door 2, the guy in 8A was staring out the window
> at our welcoming party. The guy in 14D was on his mobile phone and he
> was later observed hiding the phone in the pillow when the armed guys
> came on board. 20 swat team guys boarded the plane, ten down each aisle
> with guns ready. Most of the passengers were pretty freaked by this. The
> police took the three guys off. We had to help them find all their carry
> on. Most of the passengers were very helpful in trying to ID their hand
> carry on as we really had no idea of what was theirs.
>
> The FBI, TSA, Joint Terrorism Task Force Rep, Boston Police, Airport
> Police and Massachusetts State Troopers interviewed the Captain, the two
> F/As who had the most contact with them and me for two hours. The FBI
> also interviewed the passengers sitting around the guys. The FBI asked
> the Captain when he realized the severity of the situation, and he
> replied, "When he saw the fear in the eyes of his crew..."after the
> three of us (F/As) threw up, we told our story...what really happened!
>
> By the time we got back to the plane, UAL Ops had shown up and arranged
> for the passengers to go to hotels for an 1100 departure to continue to
> London with a new crew. Of course, we then had to wait for immigration
> to show up since all the non-US and greencard holders were now
> reentering the US and had to fill out I-94 forms as new visitors and be
> fingerprinted and photographed again.
>
> We finally got to the hotel around 0730 and I was on the phone for the
> next two hours talking to our office in London, to the AFA, and
> scheduling. Scheduling called Toby to let him know what was going on
> since I hadn't had a chance to call him yet. It was wonderful to talk to
> him and I felt safe for the first time in hours on hearing his voice. By
> the time we got to the hotel, we were already on the news, and several
> hours later, we heard the passengers were interviewed, cleared and
> released. The FBI told me they felt they were on a test run surveillance
> flight, observing and watching our routine and looking for weaknesses in
> our security. All the authorities reassured us we did the right thing
> and that was backed up by the passengers who thanked us and said that
> they were so glad we watching out for their well being. I think as F/As,
> we sense when something just isn't right, and this flight had too many
> small incidents that didn't add up, and thankfully, we acted on our
> feelings.
>
> We had a lovely lobster dinner (which I think UAL should have bought
> for us, but didn't), Boston EAP got hold of us to see if we needed
> anything, BOSSW checked up on us and a LHRSW Supervisor called. So,
> after a nice deadhead home the next day via IAD, Toby met me outside of
> customs with a bouquet of flowers and we took the tube (which was up and
> running, but now with armed police at all the stations) home. Now, it's
> time to write the reports. We were supposed to go to Norway on Wednesday
> for a few days, but had to cancel since I didn't get home until
> Wednesday night. It would have been such a nice relaxing time...maybe
> next time!
>
> You all fly safe and keep your eyes open because the bad guys really
> are out there and watching us!
> Take care...
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Kealey" <cwkealey@atlanticbb.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [MV] Military travel in 2005
>
>
>> The really IMPRESSIVE part of all this is that the rules only apply to
>> outgoing
>> flights.
>>
>> My wife's nephew just arrived a little over a month ago from Europe
>> and had one
>> layover, again in Europe. NO shake down and very fast boarding at
>> both airports
>> in Europe.
>>
>> He did not observe any personal security check coming to DC.
>>
>> However, upon leaving D.C. last week he had to get to the airport 3
>> hours before
>> the flight to check in. Then waited for several hours to go through
>> the lines
>> to the boarding area. Then he had to take off his shoes and remove
>> all metal
>> objects from his pockets and carry on bags. What a sad joke.
>>
>> We watched people taking off belts because of the belt buckles and
>> other things.
>>
>> Truely amazing what we will go through to pretend to be safe and secure.
>>
>> Sorry, this just strikes me as ridiculous. Former law enforcement
>> officer and
>> all that. <Sad Grin>
>>
>>
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>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:20 PM
>> Subject: [MV] Military travel in 2005
>>
>>
>> Before deploying from Savannah, Georgia to Iraq by a chartered airliner;
>> the troops of the 48th Brigade Combat Team, a National Guard unit, had to
>> go through the same security checks as any other passengers.
>>
>> Lt. Col. John King, the unit's commander, told his 280 fellow soldiers
>> that FAA anti-hijacking regulations require passengers to surrender
>> pocket
>> knives, nose hair scissors and cigarette lighters. "If you have any of
>> those things," he said, almost apologetically, "put them in this box
>> now."
>>
>> The troops were, however, allowed to keep their assault rifles, body
>> armour, helmets, pistols, bayonets and combat shotguns.
>>
>>
>>
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