From: Hutterer, John (MPAU) (john.hutterer@smiths-medical.com)
Date: Wed Aug 24 2005 - 10:11:54 PDT
Sonny,
The Property Book works well...in theory. I spent almost 27 years in the
Army and I have seen dozens of situations where things fell through the
cracks. Examples: a WWI Ration Breakdown Kit, in perfect condition, that
sat in an S4 store-room for years before the PBO decided to turn it in,
and then realized that it wasn't on the books; a deuce that I personally
turned in that got "lost" in the Motor Pool for two years; a UH1D Huey
helicopter that was left at a post for maintenance and not picked up for
two years. The PBO had lost track of it and forgotten that it existed.
The Army has a system for handling things like this. They call them
"found on post". I have seen instances where things like water buffalos,
trucks, generators, and jeeps have been picked up by an enterprising PBO
as "found on post" and no questions are ever asked. I would not be
surprised if many of the 32,000 "missing" vehicles could be accounted
for in this way, if only there was a way of tracking them. I know that
Property Books are now computerized, but I wonder if anyone has ever
tried to write a program that would sort through the millions of lines
of information to see if what a PBO says that he has is what he is
actually supposed to have. This is going to be an even bigger headache
when stuff starts coming back from Iraq.
John
John Hutterer
Sr. Eng. Lab Tech.
Smiths-Medical (Deltec)
651-628-7107
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From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On
Behalf Of Sonny Heath
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:02 PM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] 32,000 lost vehicles
I don't know about other places but I do know about the Army and they
have what is called a property book, with a Commissioned Officer as
Property Book Officer and he signs for everything in his charge and it
is inspected continously. When someone uses property from it they sign
for it on a hand receipt. Thats why I said what I said in my earlier
post. Not enough info was given to even make a guess as to why they are
missing.
Sonny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Employee at MILVEHCO" <milveh@dslextreme.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] 32,000 lost vehicles
> No doubt these trucks are around somewhere, maybe gathering dust in
some
> huge corp yard or busted up in wrecking yard, parted out, wrecked and
> waiting to be sold and paper work not turned in properly or they were
> simply left on site at some big project to be used some other team and
> there transfer papers were lost...all sorts of ways to misplace
federal
> vehicles when so many people use them and they have hundreds of
thousands
> to track with dozens upon dozens of federal agencies who own them,
lend
> them, trade them and sell them. And I wouldn't be surprised if some
on
> this list don't own vehicles they are looking for, again vehicles sold
> legally, but paper work got lost in route to GSA or DRMO, etc.
Happens
> every day.
>
>
> missing ones and for a small fee we won't turn turn them in!
>
> m35products
>>
>>> Speaking of poor representation, a few days ago our government
admitted
>>> they either lost or misplaced 32,000 vehicles we (taxpayers) bought
for
>>> them. They just can't account for them either through paper work or
>>> physically searching. Possibly one or two of them are owned by list
>>> members?
>>
>>
>> It would seem to this old investigator that (assuming they are
civilian
>> type
>> vehicles) a simple computer search of the VIN's in NCIC might turn up
the
>> locations of the missing vehicles.
>>
>> Also any warranty or recall work necessitates the input of the VIN to
get
>> the repair process started. If they are Fords. they come
factory-equipped
>> with enough defective parts to ensure almost a 100% recall certainty.
>>
>> A search of the insurance company data bases might also turn up the
>> VIN's.
>>
>> I wonder if there's a bounty offered for finding them?
>>
>> Is this where all the M35A2C w/w trucks are hiding?
>>
>> APB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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