From: Chief Richard L Hileman II (chief@cermak.com)
Date: Sun Sep 11 2005 - 18:34:25 PDT
Err....
Actually the first law enforcement officers were based on the
premise that law enforcement is everyone's job and the police are just paid
to direct their full attention to it. (see: raising the hue and cry) The
two camps you suggest both are based off of it being just a LE job that we
can (as in are capable of) either do or not do.
My camp (over there on the right side too) thinks an armed society is a
polite society. Be responsible with your guns and use deadly force only
when necessary. Cap 'em if ya have to but do try to avoid it.
One the neatest call I ever went to was the nice lady who apprehended at gun
point three 'misguided youths' attempting to 'borrow' her ATV. When I got
there she had them sitting on the couch while she had 9-1-1 in one hand and
S&W in the other. No theatrics or showboating. Just calmly lead them in and
sat them down. Their HUGE eyes were precious.....
MV wise: If I am coming in the CUCV, it may take me a while to get there.
No acceleration.... Hold the fort till I get there.
Rick
M-1009
M-1008
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Subject: Re: [MV] Confiscation Of Firearms
When it comes to guns, there are two camps in the USA...
One camp (on the left) trusts law enforcement to protect them at all
times, especially in times of grave danger, even though law enforcement
openly says, "I will not use deadly force to protect you or the children,
nor do I believe in others using deadly force to protect their loved ones
or themselves. I do things to stop them. Please do not count on me to
protect you in time of grave danger."
The other camp (on the right) view law enforcement with some cynicism and
suspicion about their declining abilities to protect and serve. They
know in times of grave danger, when help is needed now, not when the next
available officer is clear, that a well placed shot can save innocent
life. They have no problem defending themselves or their neighbors from
armed criminal aggression.
If I had to pick a camp where I wanted to live, it's pretty much a no
brainer! lol
My choice of folks to live around would also have absolutely no objection
to me owning a large military vehicle (like a deuce), but I am confident
that other group sure would. Afterall, they are the ones that keep
pressing to remove my guns and keep MV's from private ownership... you
know them as liberals. And that's not very liberal, is it?
Royce C Hayes
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> Wednesday, September 07, 2005
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>
> And they said it would never happen.
>
> But when conditions change, officials swing into action to break their
> word, violate their oath of office, violate the law and bluff or force
> their will on the public.
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> This is the source of lawlessness: when officials break the law in
> professional incompetence, delaying of proper response and because-
> we-say-so oppression of the People.
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> To a constituent, officials lied.
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> The Condition: lawlessness in New Orleans.
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> The Problem: thugs shooting and civil unrest.
>
> The Solution: Take away everybody's guns and force evacuation, leaving
> the neighborhood unprotected.
>
> The Reality: only the criminals will have guns, perpetuating the
> original problem as they return to the evacuation zone.
>
> Exactly, please, how does law enforcement discern the good guys from
> the bad guys in what to confiscate from whom? If guns are being
> confiscated from thugs, what becomes of the thugs to follow-up on
> the suspicion of crime that justifies the confiscation?
>
> Don't expect much, folks, because the jails were opened there to
> release the felons for their own safety.
>
> Brilliant, just brilliant.
>
> There's a very sickening feeling about this. First confiscation, then
> they come for you. They call it mandatory evacuation, but they are
> still confiscating weapons and coming for you.
>
> New Orleans already has one of the highest murder rates in the country,
> but it wasn't the law-abiding shooting at EMS. And it wasn't the
> law-abiding shooting it out with police.
>
> Who do they think they're fooling? If they really wanted to stop the
> unrest, they could have taken into custody and relocated the thugs
> they released, but they didn't concentrate on the thugs they had in
> hand; they concentrated on the guns. Everybody's guns.
>
> As an aside, I was contacted this morning by the Republican Party and
> asked for a $150 donation. Like Hell.
>
> I answered that I was a member of my Party's Assembly District, and
> that we, along with other Republicans, decided to withhold donations
> and fundraising for the Party until the Conservatives did two things:
> secure and control the borders, and stop the restrictions on gun rights
> for the law-abiding.
>
> My unwelcome telemarketer caller asked me if I would like to see
> Hilary Clinton in the White House for lack of conservative funding:
> the thrust of my reply was let the heavens fall.
>
> No wonder the rescue efforts were delayed. No wonder the thugs were let
> out. The situation was allowed to deteriorate so officials would be able
> to cite unexpected changed conditions as an excuse to break their word
> and confiscate weapons as a dress rehearsal for other communities. This
> is not good. Where the hell were the conservatives in looking out for
> the individual?
>
> To protect the community and our way of life, armed citizens are the
> most effective modality. Police can be overwhelmed and the people have
> an interest in defending their homes and their community as a whole.
> When facing a thug, the people have a very good idea of who is
> law-abiding
> and who isn't, and it is they who are best qualified to sort things out
> as they participate in the recovery of their community.
>
> I dislike intensely the government's freezing people out of their own
> recovery plans. And I dislike the idea of disarming the law-abiding.
>
> The mandatory evacuation -- where the community is one cesspool -- may
> make sense for the next several days; I'm for non-mandatory evacuation;
> but confiscation of weapons is downright illegal, stupid, and I dare
> say predictable.
>
> To use human tragedy to effect unauthorized and unwelcome political
> change is not new. Officials have been doing this for a very long time.
> Change the conditions and the consent of the people will follow in a
> spirit of cooperation.
>
> What's next, confiscation of weapons in California following an
> earthquake? Why?
>
> Confiscation of guns -- for whatever excuse -- is part of that use of
> human tragedy to effect political change, the kind the community doesn't
> want and which runs counter to the interests of the community. But, for
> some, it's now too late. They're disarmed and defenseless, and by their
> own consent. Even those with permits turn them in? Why?
>
> What do you believe will happen next? What do you believe will happen
> this Fall when the City of San Francisco votes to ban guns, which they
> have on the ballot?
>
> We've been had, friends.
>
> And we're going to be had in the next crisis, too.
>
> And the next, and the next.
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