From: Stephen Grammont (islander@midmaine.com)
Date: Sun Sep 11 2005 - 22:01:16 PDT
Er... forget what I said about the habeas corpus bit... the articles I
read that bit in were the outdated ones that (wrongly) reported that
Martial Law was in effect. I did see, upon review, that even Scott
McClellan (White House Press Secretary) was one of the people
incorrectly reporting that Marshal Law had been imposed. Boy... one
would think that something that major would have been more clear to the
people talking with the media. Apparently not.
Steve
On Sep 12, 2005, at 12:27 AM, Stephen Grammont wrote:
> Are we even sure it is illegal? Like it or not, looking at the US
> Constitution and LA State Statute that has been invoked as part of the
> State of Emergency it looks perfectly legal. In fact lots of civil
> liberties have been suspended as well, such as the suspension of
> habeas corpus (which basically means they can arrest anybody for
> anything), confiscation of personal property, forced evacuation, etc.
> All of these things are certainly legal under the US and LA
> Constitutions. However, since nobody is supposed to be in New Orleans
> anyway... in theory nobody should be affected.
>
> Personally, what I find troubling was that Federal government (in the
> form of the incompetent head of FEMA) did in fact try to illegally bar
> the news media from reporting on body recoveries. Fortunately the
> Feds realized they didn't stand a chance, so they spun a "it was all a
> big misunderstanding" story and backed down when faced with a lawsuit.
> Score one for the Constitution.
>
> Steve
>
> P.S. I think the gun confiscation idea is dumber than dumb. Legal as
> it may be, I can't see how it could possibly help things. Law
> enforcement has a lot more important things to be worried about.
>
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>> Wednesday, September 07, 2005
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>>
>> And they said it would never happen.
>>
>> But when conditions change, officials swing into action to break their
>> word, violate their oath of office, violate the law and bluff or force
>> their will on the public.
>>
>> This is the source of lawlessness: when officials break the law in
>> professional incompetence, delaying of proper response and because-
>> we-say-so oppression of the People.
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>> To a constituent, officials lied.
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>> The Condition: lawlessness in New Orleans.
>>
>> The Problem: thugs shooting and civil unrest.
>>
>> The Solution: Take away everybody’s guns and force evacuation, leaving
>> the neighborhood unprotected.
>>
>> The Reality: only the criminals will have guns, perpetuating the
>> original problem as they return to the evacuation zone.
>>
>> Exactly, please, how does law enforcement discern the good guys from
>> the bad guys in what to confiscate from whom? If guns are being
>> confiscated from thugs, what becomes of the thugs to follow-up on
>> the suspicion of crime that justifies the confiscation?
>>
>> Don’t expect much, folks, because the jails were opened there to
>> release the felons for their own safety.
>>
>> Brilliant, just brilliant.
>>
>> There's a very sickening feeling about this. First confiscation, then
>> they come for you. They call it mandatory evacuation, but they are
>> still confiscating weapons and coming for you.
>>
>> New Orleans already has one of the highest murder rates in the
>> country,
>> but it wasn't the law-abiding shooting at EMS. And it wasn't the
>> law-abiding shooting it out with police.
>>
>> Who do they think they're fooling? If they really wanted to stop the
>> unrest, they could have taken into custody and relocated the thugs
>> they released, but they didn't concentrate on the thugs they had in
>> hand; they concentrated on the guns. Everybody's guns.
>>
>> As an aside, I was contacted this morning by the Republican Party and
>> asked for a $150 donation. Like Hell.
>>
>> I answered that I was a member of my Party's Assembly District, and
>> that we, along with other Republicans, decided to withhold donations
>> and fundraising for the Party until the Conservatives did two things:
>> secure and control the borders, and stop the restrictions on gun
>> rights
>> for the law-abiding.
>>
>> My unwelcome telemarketer caller asked me if I would like to see
>> Hilary Clinton in the White House for lack of conservative funding:
>> the thrust of my reply was let the heavens fall.
>>
>> No wonder the rescue efforts were delayed. No wonder the thugs were
>> let
>> out. The situation was allowed to deteriorate so officials would be
>> able
>> to cite unexpected changed conditions as an excuse to break their word
>> and confiscate weapons as a dress rehearsal for other communities.
>> This
>> is not good. Where the hell were the conservatives in looking out for
>> the individual?
>>
>> To protect the community and our way of life, armed citizens are the
>> most effective modality. Police can be overwhelmed and the people have
>> an interest in defending their homes and their community as a whole.
>> When facing a thug, the people have a very good idea of who is
>> law-abiding
>> and who isn't, and it is they who are best qualified to sort things
>> out
>> as they participate in the recovery of their community.
>>
>> I dislike intensely the government's freezing people out of their own
>> recovery plans. And I dislike the idea of disarming the law-abiding.
>>
>> The mandatory evacuation -- where the community is one cesspool -- may
>> make sense for the next several days; I'm for non-mandatory
>> evacuation;
>> but confiscation of weapons is downright illegal, stupid, and I dare
>> say predictable.
>>
>> To use human tragedy to effect unauthorized and unwelcome political
>> change is not new. Officials have been doing this for a very long
>> time.
>> Change the conditions and the consent of the people will follow in a
>> spirit of cooperation.
>>
>> What's next, confiscation of weapons in California following an
>> earthquake? Why?
>>
>> Confiscation of guns -- for whatever excuse -- is part of that use of
>> human tragedy to effect political change, the kind the community
>> doesn't
>> want and which runs counter to the interests of the community. But,
>> for
>> some, it's now too late. They're disarmed and defenseless, and by
>> their
>> own consent. Even those with permits turn them in? Why?
>>
>> What do you believe will happen next? What do you believe will happen
>> this Fall when the City of San Francisco votes to ban guns, which they
>> have on the ballot?
>>
>> We've been had, friends.
>>
>> And we're going to be had in the next crisis, too.
>>
>> And the next, and the next.
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>>
>> Visit his website at http://nationwideconcealedcarry.com/
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