From: shoop19@brick.net
Date: Thu Dec 29 2005 - 08:48:34 PST
A hobby requires buying and selling....collecting is the same.
Do you derive a substantial percentage of income? From this hobby? Or does
it roll back into the collection as ALL collectors do from time to time,
liquidate one piece to acquire another......
All alot of banter about nothing........too much time at work with a
computer........
I collect, transport and display...I buy parts for my vehicles and sell
off ones I dont need or don't want.....
There will be no case made. No officer wants to look stupid in front of
his peers.....thats why the superintendant of the MO DOT told me that
benifit of doubt goes to the owner.......always....no blue sky cases to be
persued......
Time will tell, but most DOT guys I have met have been very professional
and curious about the hobby......don't be confused, safety equipment,
tires, brakes, mirrors, electrical are all top knotch and kept that way
because it has to be.
just my 2 cents.
Jon> At 10:09 AM -0500 12/29/05, Ron wrote:
>>Hi Sonny...
>>
>> And there is no way in hell the items you are
>>selling ever spent time on a trailer behind your
>>RV or IN your RV, right? Not under a seat or in
>>the bathroom or even in the middle of the floor.
>>Nothing ever gets bought at a meet you attended
>>with the RV Toter, correct?
>>
>> From your post of 24 DEC 05 Titled "Truck
>>Turned Recreation Vehicle" you stated " I'm
>>strictly a collector of motorscooters,
>>motorcycles, old farm tractors, and military
>>vehicles among other things too numerous to go
>>in to. I do not sell anything at the shows I
>>attend, I only exibit for free. I do not ask
>>for nor would I accept donations just to make
>>myself clear on that."
>>
>> But you don't state that you never BUY stuff
>>at meets that you resell from home. Which you
>>wouldn't do, because that WOULD BE commerce,
>>wouldn't it?
>
> If the bloody ATF doesn't mind C&R-FFLs buying
> and selling the odd rifle (as long as they're not
> trying to make a business of it) then occasional
> purchases and sales if reported as normal income
> aren't business.
>
> Or are you positing that the first time a very
> conventional Grandpa & Grandma Itasca Motorhome
> owner sells something at an RV park he's for ever
> considered Commercial?
>
>>
>> Again, you state " I'm strictly a collector
>>of motorscooters, motorcycles, old farm
>>tractors, and military vehicles among other
>>things..." ONE used HMMWV hood for sale
>>indicates a collector getting rid of excess junk
>>collected in the pursuit of the hobby. 6 used
>>HMMWV hoods, HMMWV Transfer Case take outs
>>Several, Silicone Brake Fluid 12 ea. $25.00 ea
>>gal. for sale indicate a .... what?
>
> We all go through GL sales. the nature of the
> Collecting business means we'll get a batch of
> crap we don't need in order to get one out of the
> whole lot. What are we supposed to do, throw it
> away?
>
>
>> I'm just a little cranky about the
>>protestations of the folks in the hobby who
>>claim they NEVER try to make back a modicum of
>>money off of the junk we buy and sell. If you
>>just BUY, you're a collector. If you
>>occasionally sell something you bought because
>>you no longer have a use for it, you're human.
>>If you buy and sell stuff to make a profit and
>>claim to the whole world you don't, that would
>>make you a four letter word that rhymes with
>>buyer!
>
> Again, C&R-FFLs can sell their arms. They just
> can't start a business. If the ATF who's woefully
> problematic for the people they regulate, then I
> suspect Sonny's probably just fine.
>
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