From: Frank Robertson (froberts@midsouth.rr.com)
Date: Fri Dec 30 2005 - 13:49:03 PST
This is what the ATF says about a C&R
The principal advantage of a Collector's License, therefore, is that a
collector can acquire curios or relics in interstate commerce. Although a
licensed collector may acquire and dispose of curios or relics at any
location, dispositions to nonlicensees must generally be made to residents
of the same State in which the collector is licensed. Further, A LICENSED
COLLECTOR IS NOT AUTHORIZED TO ENGAGE IN BUSINESS AS A DEALER IN ANY
FIREARMS, INCLUDING CURIOS OR RELICS. A FEDERAL FIREARMS DEALER'S LICENSE IS
REQUIRED FOR THIS ACTIVITY. The term "engaged in business" as applied to a
dealer in firearms refers, in part, to a person who devotes time, attention,
and labor to engaging in such activity as a regular course of trade or
business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit. Therefore,
any person intending to "engage in the business" of selling firearms,
including firearms defined by ATF as Curios or Relics, must first obtain a
dealers license. For example, if a collector acquires curios or relics for
the purpose of sale rather than to enhance a collection, the collector would
have to be licensed as a dealer in firearms under the GCA. The sole intent
and purpose of the collector's license is to enable a firearms collector to
obtain curio or relic firearms from outside his or her State of residence.
Here's a link to the ATF's Curios List
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm
Robertson Sniper Restorations Webpage Link
http://home.midsouth.rr.com/w2sniper
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A C&R FFL can't buy or sell modern firearms, only antique. It has nothing to
From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On Behalf
Of Stu
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:50 PM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] C&R FFL
do with business. They can only buy & sell those classified as Curio &
Relics. Muskets- pre 1900 firearms, etc. I was a FFL firearms dealer for
10 years in another life. Here in NH, you can sell up to 5 firearms a year
with no license. But, who's counting.
"Stu"
Southern NH, USA
"Live Free Or Die"
MVPA #14790
1967 M151A1 Jeep 1964 M416 Trailer
1985 M1008 CUCV Pickup
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From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On Behalf
Of Ryan Gill
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 5:51 PM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] Excess Stuff
At 11:38 AM -0500 12/29/05, Ron wrote:
>Hi Ryan.
>
> English please...
>
> C&R-FFL?
Curios and Relics FFL. AKA a type 03 FFL. Not to
be confused with a Class III or Title III FFL
which has to do with Machine guns and such.
To deal in firearms, one needs a type 02 or 01
FFL. 02 FFLs are your basic Gun store type of
FFL. A CRuffler as it is sometimes called can buy
and sell, just not as a business. Up to and
including taking a few guns to the gun show where
he's trying to
> Positing that Grandpa ain't hauling a
>gooseneck into the RV park and buying lawn
>chairs and Avon stuff from the other happy
>campers at a 'good' price and then reselling the
>stuff at home. Which is why most communities
>have ordinances against more than 2 yard sales a
>year at any one address because sometimes
>Grandma don't see a problem with blowing out the
>28,000 beanie babies she collected over the
>years along with the weekly neighborhood trash
>pickings Grampa collects each Tuesday morning
>during his 0600 Neighborhood Watch patrol.
Better be careful about all those Militaria
collectors that go to WWII and other time period
events. I tend to sell an item every other event
as I pick up extra things I don't need. For
example, I bought 30 or so WWII British web
anklets because I had a chance to and supplied
them to any of the WWII re-eneactors that need
them that I encounter. I do not have a business
selling anklets despite their still having price
tags on them.
>What's this "We" crap Kimosabee? I don't deal with GL. Period.
Generalizing. I've dealt with them exactly one
time. I bought 3 pallets of Impact wrenches. Used
them as down payment for a vehicle I bought
through Ted Hils. I got three of them out of the
whole mess of them that were on the pallet.
> And BTW you state "We all go through GL
>sales. the nature of the Collecting business
>means we'll get a batch of crap we don't need in
>order to get one out of the whole lot. What are
>we supposed to do, throw it away?" The nature of
>collecting means buying what you need to
>complete your collection. The nature of the
>collecting BUSINESS means buying to resell for a
>profit, hence the word BUSINESS "a commercial or
>industrial enterprise and the people who
>constitute it, such as "a small mom-and-pop
>business". And GL sells Dingo and Ferret parts?
GL doesn't. Whitims does. E-Pay does. Other folks
do. Some 24 volt, OD green stuff works for a
ferret as well as it does for a Duece.
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Ryan Gill rmgill@SPAMmindspring.com
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