From: MV (MV@dc9.tzo.com)
Date: Mon Jan 30 2006 - 11:31:27 PST
Marty,
I have several trucks, including a M51 5 ton dump. If you are truly
going to be doing 500 mile jaunts with 8 tons plus trailer in tow, you
really don't want to use a M35 with a tag trailer IMO. You could use a
5 ton truck with a tag, if you really want to use an MV. But for what
you are talking about you will need three things - good brakes - basic
load capacity - and decent HP. Also, you probably don't want to beat
your portable shops to death during the trip. A single axle tractor and
a drop deck trailer with air ride suspension would be just about perfect
IMO.
It would not be too difficult to put together a jacking system to raise
the portable shops off the trailer so you can pull out from underneath
them. If you do it right, you can keep the rig under 55,000 lbs gross
and avoid the federal heavy vehicle tax. With what you want to do you
are clearly into CDL territory. HP wise if you are running on the flat,
you could get by with as little as 200 hp, but if you are into mountain
climbing then you should probably add 100 hp more.
I moved my M51 (23,000 lbs) about 300 miles on a gooseneck flatbed with
a 1 ton dually. It can be done, but I would not want to do that every
month! Plus the truck's transmission would simply not survive.
The M35 and M54 trucks are tactical vehicles meant to be on-off road
trucks. They do a great job for what they were designed to do, but an
over-the-road cruiser they are not (unless you have an iron axx).
Dave
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Marty Galyean wrote:
> Ron wrote:
>
>> Hi Marty
>>
>> This chart is from the -10 for the M44 series of trucks which
>> include the Deuce. If you plan to tow more than 10K, you'll need a
>> bigger truck. Lot's of folks here will say you can tow or they have
>> towed or carried a lot more than the rated load. But the deuces brakes
>> are iffy from the get go, and it is a single air over hydraulic
>> circuit. If you only go out side the limits once for 20 miles or so,
>> say dragging a buddies deuce back home from a break down, you'll
>> probably get away with it. But if you plan to tow more, and long
>> distances too, think about a more recent commercial vehicle with more
>> dependability. I won't use the dreaded Commercial tag for what you are
>> doing, but if it involves money and you try to do this on the cheap,
>> you'll end up talking with someone like T.J. on the side of the road.
>> He's one of us, but his job is to protect the public from those of us
>> who try to do iffy things on the cheap and end up endangering the
>> public. You haven't lived until your buzzing down the road at 45 or so
>> WITHOUT a trailer in tow and the idiot soccer mom in the minivan pulls
>> out or through the intersection and you get to see how poorly a
>> deuce's brakes perform. And lord help ya if ya hit the loon, because
>> the bottom of your front bumper is about even with the top of her roof.
>>
> Brakes and the complexity of the drive train for on highway use seem to
> be the big negatives of the deuces with regards to what I'm talking
> about. I'm learning a ton here, thanks guys.
>
>> Military trucks are dependable slow speed transportation, but
>> things get real interesting the faster you go, or the more weight you
>> add. The military used them over the road because it could do both
>> cross country and highway hauling adequately, and they really didn't
>> have much choice. Same with the Cross country non directional tread
>> tires the military used. A compromise tire that the vehicle operator
>> had no say in it's choice. We do.
>>
>> The military towed comm. shelters behind deuces and larger using
>> 'mobilizers'. Sounds kind of like what you're trying to do. You can
>> see some photos of what they look like here: http://tinyurl.com/7laot
>>
> That is similar. Here is more what I have in mind:
> http://www.cdkmobile.com/fifth_wheel_mobilizer_full.htm
>
> Just trying to figure out the best tow vehicle. Not stuck on 5th wheel,
> but a mobilizer that can handle a 20' container, or a trailer that can
> handle 8' wide load would be required. I'd prefer to keep the load on
> the trailer. The 5th wheel would put half the load on the truck.
>
> Probably end up with a Kenworth. ha ha.
>
>
>> Anyways, that's my opinion (I have an M35A2). A lot of folks here
>> will have differing opinions, Bjorn and Kenny being a couple that come
>> to mind.
>>
>>
>>
>> Table 2-1. Weight (Pounds)
>>
>> Gross
>> Payload Towed Towed
>>
>> Truck Net Gross Cross- Payload
>> Cross- Load Load
>>
>> Type w/wn Highway Country Highway
>> Country Highway Cross-Country
>>
>> M35A1 13,530 23,530 18,530 10,000
>> 5,000 10,000 6,000
>>
>> M35A2 13,530 23,530 18,530 10,000
>> 5,000 10,000 6,000
>>
>> M35A2C 13,530 23,530 18,530 10,000
>> 5,000 10,000 6,000
>>
>> M36A2 15,750 25,510 20,750 10,000
>> 5,000 10,000 6,000
>>
>>
>>
>> Welcome to the list and have fun,
>>
> Thanks, Ed. Very helpful. Looking forward to other advice also of course.
>
> Marty
>
>
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