Re: This is why

From: Rick v100 (rickv100@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Feb 14 2006 - 07:24:31 PST

This came up prior to the Bushies taking office. The
NSA Echelon project probably has us on the listening
list because of the continual talk about military
subjects.

Figure if we have one overseas list member then the
traffic is going to route overseas and it has been
proven several times that it is very easy to change
the route that packets of computer data take to put
them either inside or outside the US jurisdiction for
surveillance purposes.

If you want private communications then start
encrypting your messages.

Rick
 

--- MV <MV@dc9.tzo.com> wrote:

>
> The Bush crew has already admitted to using
> widespread unauthorized wire
> taps to monitor overseas conversations. If they
> don't need to get
> authorization to do that, do you think they need
> anything to monitor the
> airwaves, this email list, etc. After all this
> email list stuff goes
> overseas also, as do a lot of amateur radio
> transmissions.
>
> I make phone calls overseas once in a while, so
> according the Bush, the
> NSA can listen in on my conversations at will. So
> does that mean they
> can also point a parabolic dish at my house windows
> and listen in on
> conversations between myself and my wife and
> daughters?? Hey, why not??
> I could be a threat right?
>
> I am also involved in foreign commerce and I deal
> primarily with foreign
> made equipment that most people do not understand at
> all. More black
> marks.
>
> If you guys don't think that we are on the "list" to
> monitor as a
> possible "threat", then you are not listening to the
> news.
>
> Indiana and Kansas apparenlty think that the MVs we
> own could be a
> possible threat. What else do you like to do that
> makes you a suspect??
> Collect knives? Have a subscription to a gun
> magazine? Wear a camo
> cap once in a while? Bought more than one box of
> ammo in the last year?
> Own other "non-conforming" vehicles?
>
> This is a very slipperly slope we are on right now.
> We don't exactly
> fit in with the mainstream. To actually own an MV
> automatically labels
> us as non-comformists. So "we" are targets.
>
> If this makes you uncomfortable, sell your MV and
> buy a 2006 Beige Camry
> sedan and start hanging out at Walmart and watch at
> least 4 hours of
> mind numbing TV per night. That might take you off
> the list for a while.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Jack Lee wrote:
> >> "E-06-49788600234834 12 FEB 2006 10:47:33 EST
> >
> >
> >> LEE, (email milveh@dslextreme.com) You are hereby
> notified, pursuant
> >> to the Federal Communications Act
> >> of 1974, 11.4 and Title 1, Section 7 USC, be
> advised your electronic
> >> transmissions between the group/s 1.
> >milveh@milveh.org and 2. John
> >> Does numbered one (1) through one thousand
> (1000), have been
> >> intercepted >by the authority granted in law and
> pursuant to, Title 1
> >> Section 7.1a, b, d, and e, USC, Federal
> Information and >Security Act
> >> (FISA) on behalf of the Homeland Security
> Administration in
> >> cooperation with the Federal Bureau >of
> Investigation.
> >
> >
> > Now, how would you guys like to get one of these
> little notices, eh?
> > Of course, this is just made up to grab your
> attention. But, my point
> > is, this is really not-so-far fetched example (in
> keeping with the
> > times) of what "could" happen...IF we start taking
> our liberty for granted.
> >
> > Somewhere, somehow, people in France let their
> government get beyond
> > their control, first, they lost their gun rights
> and now they are losing
> > their old military vehicles and that means a
> portion of their property
> > rights are at risk. This latest situation might
> seem trivial to most
> > who could care less about our hobby, but the
> overall implications run
> > pretty deep.
> >
> > This French Constitution, says, and this is for
> real: " Its principle
> > is government of the people, by the people, and
> for the people." Sound
> > familiar Yanks? But, there's a few people in
> France who just can't take
> > this part seriously anymore. And if this part is
> meaningless for them
> > (MV'ers), what's next... for the others?
> >
> > We better take notice and never, never let this
> happen in America
> > because the ripples go beyond just old military
> vehicles. Thats my duex
> > centimes worth...
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
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