From: jatonka (jatonka@telenet.net)
Date: Sat Feb 18 2006 - 17:54:57 PST
There'll be no flames coming from my address, You are SOOOO
correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Lee" <milveh@dslextreme.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] George Kivett - thanks for your support in Iraq!
>A special thanks goes out to list member George Kivett. George, your
>package was the first to reach the real front lines for our guys in Iraq.
>You will be getting a personal notice soon. I am pleased to report our
>guys are glad to be getting the help. They are living in a very decent
>area, although it is what is considered hostile forward area. It's well
>protected and they are getting good food and good supplies. Life for them
>is generally pretty good, except when they have to release a terrorist.
>(see story below).
>
> OT....please stop right here if you are sensitive. These are political
> opinions/observations from in country:
>
> The guerilla war has suddenly become increasingly difficult to fight
> thanks to liberal politicians and their military butt kissing
> counterparts, meddling in our ground combat tactics. This time they are
> forcing "combat soldiers in a war zone" to produce the same burden of
> proof you might expect from cops in D.C., when it comes to holding
> prisoners!
>
> Well, I got news for those libs, Iraq ain't DC and sometimes we just know
> we got the right guy and you have to turn him lose. Let's say he was
> caught standing over the IED with a shovel at 3 a.m., but no eye-witness
> saw him plant it and you don't have any prints on the bomb. Therefore,
> you can't prove [he] planted it; his lawyer says maybe he likes to walk
> around at 3 a.m. with a shovel (no crime) and he was just in the wrong
> place at the wrong time? This means releasing a terrorist bomber. That
> not only makes us look weak and ineffective, but it's getting our soldiers
> killed.
>
> Do you hear me liberals? Your lofty notions, absent the "reality of war",
> are causing the senseless deaths of American G.I.'s and Iraqi civilians!
> These new rules for incarceration have us jumping through "legal hoops"
> and dealing with issues of "probable cause" instead of fighting the enemy.
> No soldier in combat should ever have to face that burden! We didn't do
> it WWII, Korea or even Vietnam, where politicians/protestors turned
> victory into a defeat.
>
> How would you like it, if you were in combat and had a lawyer looking over
> your shoulder at every turn?
>
> I could think of few things that would be more dangerous and idiotic than
> this new heavy obligation, unless it is the Saddam Hussein's trial that's
> dragging on and nobody wants, except the enemy. You and I know Hussein
> should have NEVER faced an American style court trial. Iraq was in no way
> prepared.
>
> A 3 day military trial, a firing squad and everyone, especially the
> Iraqi's, would have been incredibly relieved and happy. Several of the
> courts jurists would be alive if we had. But no, the libs had to go the
> extra distance in pursuit of lofty ideals nobody over there has ever known
> or understand and this wasn't the time or place to start teaching them.
> It's complicated, it's awkward and it's been an expensive and deadly
> miscalculation because as long as he's alive he is motivating terrorists
> and he's become a living example for resistance.
>
> Now flame away, ranting on like that was well worth it!
>
> (You deserve to know the truth... because I know you can handle it.)
>
> Jack
>
>
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