From: Fred H. Schlesinger (fred@schlesingers.net)
Date: Fri Mar 17 2006 - 08:09:14 PST
Glad I asked.
Obviously, someone is titling these. Either they have a secret source, or
are circumventing the system or are doing it in a friendly state which
allows titles for older vehicles to be created. Or they are in a state
where historic vehicles don't need a title. While GL burns the sf97's
instead of giving them to you.
When I bought my truck, GL had a procedure where they will title your truck
in Arizona for $75.00 Otherwise; I would have purchased $4000 worth of
scrap deuce as far as the people's republik of New Jersey was concerned. I
guess they don't do that anymore, so I won't be buying any more vehicles
from them.
All GL is doing is eliminating the law abiding public purchasers who want a
whole truck they can title in their state. Dealers seem to find a way around
the system. If anything, they are driving the price down by doing this, (if
you can believe that based upon the prices I have seen) and, at best, are
causing people to go out of state or payoff titling agencies to create
titles for the vehicles.
Hey, look on the bright side. I already have my deuce. I guess mine with a
title will be worth more, and there will be more parts around in the future
from people who thought they were buying a parts truck from the G'ovnmnt ,
not a parts truck.
-Fred
M35A2w/w (with a real, New jersey title, no less)
M38A1
Mta
Mvpa
CJMMP
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick v100 [mailto:rickv100@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:12 AM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] Gl auction
Two words. "Government Contractor"
They blame the government for not giving them the
documentation neccessary to sell it with title.
When the market reflects the value of these vehicles
dropping to salvage\scrap value then they will wise up
or add premiums to purchase which will further dry up
bidders pool. Ultimatley it will come down to lost
money in the way of smaller returns on auction items
to GL and the government to get the issue resolved.
Probably what will happen is GL will stop taking the
vehicles and they will process through the DRMO or GL
under scrap contracts.
Rick
--- MV <MV@dc9.tzo.com> wrote:
> Wow, that's ridiculous. In fact they should even
> post in their auctions
> that obtaining a title without a SF-97 may be
> impossible in some states.
>
> The last time I tried to obtain a title in Ohio for
> a boat I bought in
> Kentucky without a title, the Ohio BMV told me to
> hire a lawyer, take it
> to court and have the judge order the BMV to cut a
> title for the
> vehicle. I ended up doing some detective work,
> tracked down the
> previous owner and had to bribe them to obtain a
> replacement title for
> the boat. That only cost me about $250 and 3 months
> which seemed pretty
> cheap at the time considering the alternatives.
>
> How GL gets away with this crap - double state
> taxation, improper and
> illegal paperwork, and no customer service to speak
> of - is beyond me.
>
> Dave
>
> Lee Houde wrote:
> > Here is the straight scoop on GL and SF-97s. This
> was posted on
> > http://www.steelsoldiers.com/ in response to a
> letter a member wrote to
> > GL. BTW, steel soldiers is a GREAT site for
> information on all MVs. Good
> > luck on the titling, it varies from state to
> state. We can get a title
> > with a bill of sale here in Michigan, but if the
> truck is over $2500 you
> > have to post a surity bond. Mine cost $82 for the
> bond on a $2750 truck,
> > plus sales tax and the title application fee. If
> you want to drive your
> > truck to Michigan and temporarly "sell" it to me
> for a nominal amount I
> > can get a MI title and then transfer it back to
> you for what it costs me
> > in fees and taxes. -- Lee
> >
> > Thank you for your email. Government Liquidation
> has decided to stop
> > providing SF97s on certain vehicles. This decision
> was made for the
> > following reasons:
> >
> > Due to the large number of incomplete or
> inaccurate SF97s we were
> > receiving from the Department of Defense,
> > Trouble many customers were having in converting
> the SF97s into state
> > title documents,
> > Increasing rates of rejection by state DMVs due to
> the incomplete or
> > inaccurate documents,
> > Because many of the DRMOs refused to correct
> SF97s, even when an error
> > could be proved.
> >
> > Government Liquidation felt that providing this
> document to customers
> > might inadvertently mislead some customers to
> believe that the document
> > would be of more assistance to them in their
> efforts to obtain a state
> > title document than has been the case.
> >
> > The only document you will receive is the paid in
> full invoice.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Customer Service Representative
> > Government Liquidation, LLC
> > 15051 N. Kierland Blvd 3rd floor
> > Scottsdale AZ 85254
> > 480.367.1300
> >
> > Fred Schlesinger (MTA) wrote:
> >
> >> I just looked at a GL auction for the first time
> in a couple of
> >> months. Why
> >> did they stop issuing sf97s, and how do buyers
> get titles for the
> >> trucks so
> >> they can sell them?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Fred
> >> MTA CJMMP
> >> MVPA M35A2W/W and M38A1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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