From: Darrell Ramsell (daram@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Mar 17 2006 - 14:15:57 PST
Hi Sonny
Also, keep in mind that there are two types of run-flats. The 2 piece
magnesium and the one piece rubber one. The 2 piece were designed for the 8
bolt rims (bias tires). The 1 piece was designed to the 12 bolt rims
(Radials). I don't think they are interchangeable either. The one piece by
the way are a real bitch to get them in the tires.
Darrell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Shaw" <milspectruck@verizon.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] M101 trailer weight capacity
Hi Sonny
Yes the Humvee 2 piece combat wheel assembly with runflat is used with
tubeless tires. There is a sealing O-ring that goes between the rim halves
during assembly. Ussually it is replaced when mounting new tires.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: Sonny Heath [mailto:sonny@defuniak.com]
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:12 AM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List; Glenn Shaw
Subject: Re: [MV] M101 trailer weight capacity
Speaking of tires, I have a question, can a radial tire be mounted tubeless
on the stock HMMWV two piece wheel with the run flat gizmo left in it?
Sonny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Shaw" <milspectruck@verizon.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] M101 trailer weight capacity
Hi Darrell
From what I see you have posted it seems you are going to be fine. I would
make sure to do a pre and post trip inspection. Check your tires for heat
issues on halts. Your truck is an excellent towing vehicle for this 4500
GTWR trailer since it is wide and heavy. Your tongue weight should be in
the 3-5 hundred range when loaded. The biggest problem with quality tires
blowing is their age, underinflation, and exceeding their ratings.
Regards
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On Behalf
Of Darrell Ramsell
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 1:49 AM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] M101 trailer weight capacity
Thank you Dave for this info. This is a character of the bias tire that I
was not aware of.
I actually have a set of radials but I've kept the bias tires because I have
run-flats for them but not the radial. The cargo I carry is very heavy and
expensive. The last thing I want to see is the trailer flipping from a blow
out and spewing my merchandise all over the road. I figured that should a
tire go the run-flats will prevent this.
I have another question for you. What is the proper way to calculate the
weight load on the tires? From your reply is sounds like I might not be
doing right. It is my understanding that you add the max weight of the
tires and make sure the load doesn't exceed the combined tire rating. So if
each wheel has a max rating of 3,300lb that 6,300lb minus the load of
4,500lb (3,000 load + 1,500 trailer). That leaves an excess of 2,100 lb. I
thought this was more than sufficient safety cushion. If this is not right
please let me know. (I'm sure many of you trucker's can help me with this
one.)
I also want to mentioned that before I started doing this. I asked several
people who owns an M-101 trailer as well as people on this list was and what
was the risk of exceeding the weight rating? Most told me that with
military trailers, their weight rating is for off road but for HWY use you
can essentially double that.
I also replaced the shocks with a new heavy duty type and replaced the leaf
springs with one that has an extra leaf. I don't know if this increases
it's load capacity (Does it?) but I didn't do it for this reason. I did it
as an added safety measure. I also replaced the U bolts with new ones too.
I also know the axle rating is involved in this equation too but I don't
know enough about the M-101 axle's capability.
I've been towing a load, with my HMMWV, of approximately 3,000lb once a
month for over a year now. The distance I drive is 20 mile and almost all
of it on the HWY. I always try not to exceed 50 mph when I'm driving with
this load. I inspect the trailer after every haul and have not noticed any
damage. The only thing I have notice is that the inner side walls of the
tire occasionally rub against the trailer (this most likely occurs when I
hit a pot hole or a large bump) but it has been light and there has been no
noticeable loss of rubber on the tire. Anyway, the main reason I'm
mentioning this is to simply share my experience.
If anyone has anything useful to add, I'd like to hear it.
Thanks
Darrell
----- Original Message -----
From: "MV" <MV@dc9.tzo.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] M101 spacers
> While that trailer might be able to handle 3000 lbs on it (but just
> barely?) those tires would have about 2000 lbs on each one at that
> point and while that is not a lot, bias belt tires really don't handle
> running at the limit on load and while driving at high speeds.
> Radials do much better and can be pushed a lot harder than bias belt
> tires without failing.
>
> Life is short and can be shorten even further by using lousy tires.
>
> Dave
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
>
> djslager@mail.icongrp.com wrote:
>> Well I have seen alot of miss use of equipment all so, the trailer is
>> not rated for that, why not put 6 ton in it and kill it
>> faster........ My 2 cents.......... Just dont kill someone
>> else..........Doug Slager
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <M35A2USA@aol.com>
>> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MV] M101 spacers
>>
>>
>>
>>>I had a friend who was towing a M101 trailer with over 3K lbs in it
>>>and
>>
>> both
>>
>>>bias 900s blew at the same time on the interstate... interesting
>>>ride RAM
>>>
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