From: V SCHWARTZ (vsaws@optonline.net)
Date: Wed May 10 2006 - 04:40:11 PDT
Every once in a while we run accross a vehicle that cries out to be parted
> Well today saw us getting the starter checked on the bench after getting
out you may have one of them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed" <mojoedd@bellsouth.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:54 PM
Subject: [MV] Starter Saga V & ??
> it
> back from the shop. Bench checked just fine, not a problem in sight.
> (Wait, it gets better)! Installed the starter on the truck, secured all
> battery cables, started truck, started just fine, not a problem in sight.
> (Wait, it gets better)! Found a couple of loose hose clamps on the
> radiator
> and tightened them up, leaks stopped, refilled coolant, not a problem in
> sight. (Wait, it gets better)! Started truck twice more, "just for
> grins"
> and to check for leaks, charging system, things that go bump in the night,
> not a problem in sight. (Wait, it gets better)! Drove the truck to the
> local Dairy Queen for a large Banana Cream Blizzard because we finally
> licked the dirty dog, planning to go by and pick up a heavy duty relay for
> installation of it and an in line fuse, "just in case", not a problem in
> sight. OK, here it comes.............Tried to start the truck and it went
> ballistic at the starter again!!!! This time I was ready and pulled the
> starter relay BEFORE it burned anything. Tore up my bad back but saved
> the
> truck!!
>
> Had to endure the jabs and jokes from my friend with the garage that came
> in
> his roll back to get me but at least nothing burned!
>
> OK, here's the deal, a couple of weeks ago I bought a brand new, never
> installed, still in the sealed box military starter from a guy on Ebay
> that
> I have dealt with many times with the very best of luck. This starter is
> a
> LOT smaller than the one that we took off the truck but I was assured that
> this was the proper starter for the M-1009 & M-1008. The starter was a 24
> VDC starter and it sounded great when starting the truck for the two weeks
> before the first burn up or out, what ever. This is when the trouble
> started. Nothing else has been added to or subtracted from the truck
> before
> or since. I have over 31 years experience working as an A&P Mechanic on
> everything from a Cessna 150 to a Boeing 747, I know how to work on things
> and I know how to check a circuit and wiring. A fellow A&P Mechanic that
> I
> had worked with for many years helped me check the wiring after I made the
> repairs. All checked good. All power was as spec'd in the manual for the
> M-1009 and it's wiring diagrams.
>
> Could it possibly be that this new starter needs a "beefed up" starter
> relay
> due to it's size or something else in it's system that we aren't aware of?
> Remember, the starter is the ONLY THING THAT HAS BEEN ADDED TO IN THIS
> TIME
> PERIOD OR ANYWHERE NEAR IT!
>
> I have caved in and taken it to a shop to pay for repairs. I am going
> back
> in with a normal starter under the dash, taking the wire running from that
> relay to the starter off of the starter and running it to a brand new
> Kenworth 24 VDC starter relay. Running the other leg of that massive
> relay
> through a larger wire and in line fuse to the starter. I'm then going to
> stand back and see what happens. I told the shop to check out everything,
> do the mod as I described it, (thanks to Chris Brunner for the idea),
> start
> the truck several times, drive it for a few hours, run errands, what ever
> and if it doesn't fail call me. If it fails I told them to run it off a
> cliff!! Damn, we don't have cliffs around here!
>
> Does anyone have any other idea WHY this damn thing failed again other
> than
> what I said above? Can it be anything other than the new starter? This
> starter had the solenoid replaced and then rechecked again by a VERY good
> electrical shop and was found to be working 100% correctly!?!? Any
> thoughts
> would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Again thanks to all who have responded and helped, Bless you all, I can't
> say enough about you guys, you are the best!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Ed
>
> "The consolidation of the States into one vast empire, sure to be
> aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain
> precursor of ruin which has overwhelmed all that preceded it."
>
>
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