From: Glen Closson (glen_closson@earthlink.net)
Date: Wed May 17 2006 - 07:55:10 PDT
It's much easier and cheaper to get the special magnets that you put on the fuel line to "polarize" the atoms so that the fuel burns much more efficiently.
I saw them advertised so it must be true. :)
-----Original Message-----
>From: J <W7LS@blarg.net>
>Sent: May 16, 2006 10:36 PM
>To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>Subject: Re: [MV] Cheap hydrogen fuel for diesel or gas - "Brown's gas" from water
>
> If it worked, it could only possibly be by catalyzing the gas or
>diesel-oxygen reaction. I cannot comment on that possiblity, but I can
>comment on just transferring energy between electrical energy and
>chemical energy. Say you take given amount of electrical energy of one
>Joule (1 watt-second) and use that to electrolyze some water. What you
>will get is some heat loss and some chemical energy potential in the
>form of free hydrogen gas and oxygen. If you recombine the two gasses
>perfectly, you will liberate the stored potential chemical energy. This
>will be less energy(<1 J) than you put into it in the form of electrical
>energy, guaranteed. If it were otherwise, you would be first in line for
>the Nobel Prize, since you would have invented free energy.
> Now if the gas/air or diesel/air reaction could somehow be catalyzed
>by H2 and O2, thereby creating a more complete reaction, then there
>could potentially be an advantage. I know of no such problems with the
>reaction. We adjust carburetors for optimal fuel/air ratios and adjust
>diesel injection systems for proper balances.
> Bottom line: hooey. MV content: engines. Jim
>
>Chris Brunner wrote:
>
>> Funny enough that this would come up now, MythBusters just did an
>> episode on fuel saving devices, and they checked the electrolysis
>> idea. They came to the conclusion that the quantity of power required
>> to create electrolysis of the quantity to make a difference would draw
>> more from the engine than it could produce on the fuel. Although they
>> did get a car to run off of a Hydrogen mix injected into the carb from
>> a standing tank at high flow.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Marty Galyean wrote:
>>
>>> Jack Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Guys, don't recall if this has been brought up before, but
>>>> thought I would run it by you and see what you think, it seems
>>>> interesting...and if it works, it would be great!
>>>>
>>>> I see a number of companies selling these 1 quart hydrogen gas
>>>> producing tanks that mount under the hood of your car or MV. You
>>>> fill them with distilled water, flip an electrical switch and
>>>> electrolysis cracks the water, releasing hydrogen gas into your air
>>>> intake system which is immediately consumed in the engine and thus
>>>> no need for pressurized storage.
>>>>
>>>> The theory is, the hydrogen mixes with the regular fuel, be it
>>>> diesel or gasoline and air and becomes combusted in the normal way,
>>>> but it produces more power and thus you let up a bit off the pedal
>>>> and still get the same speed. The savings is touted at 20%-40%. I
>>>> find it hard to believe that a quart of water is going to emit
>>>> enough hydrogen gas volume long enough to make any measurable
>>>> difference in a tank of gas, but thats the claim. Also engines run
>>>> cleaner and smoother. (not the first time I heard that one either)
>>>>
>>>> The costs per unit vary greatly from $50 to $700 and they all
>>>> basically produce about the same as far as I can tell. The process
>>>> seems like basic high school science, it's so simple. But, if its
>>>> all that, I have wonder why we are not using them in cars everywhere?
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone had any experience with such a thing? Is there any cost
>>>> savings here or is this another too good to be true gimmick?
>>>>
>>>> Here is one on ebay...
>>>>
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Hydrogen-Generator-Save-Fuel-Gas_W0QQitemZ9726454626QQcategoryZ294QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>>
>>>>
>>> More like 10% savings. And the principle is sound. The hydrogen
>>> increases volumetric efficiency by giving a more complete burn of the
>>> mix so you get more bang for the buck; you use more of the gas/diesel
>>> than you would at lower temps.
>>>
>>> But your are right, you have to consider the hassle of filling the
>>> distilled water tank and stuff.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
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Regards,
Glen
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