Being realistic,
John Edwards
Happy member of the MVPA
'53 M38A1
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You must make your choice.
Either this man was, and is,
The Son of God; or else a madman
or something worse.
You can shut Him up for a fool,
You can spit at Him
and kill Him as a demon,
or you can fall at His feet
and call Him Lord and God.
-- C.S. Lewis
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-----Original Message-----
From: jonathon <jemery@execpc.com>
To: mil-veh@skylee.com <mil-veh@skylee.com>
Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] Some interesting correspondence from the MVPA
>
>>From: Jerry Cleveland <zephyr@qadas.com>
>>....
>>> Dear Mr. Reese;
>>>
>>> We elected to drop The American Story, Inc. from our list of Internet
>>> links because of public remarks by your associate, John Seidts.
>>>
>>> Among other things, his statements included: "The MVPA has had a long
>>> standing tradition of problems or 'trouble at the top,' which have left
>>> it little more than an old men's marching and chowder club with a very
>>> elitist method of approaching its membership," and "I don't know how
long
>>> you've been in the MVPA, but the old MVCC was like this back in the
>>> 1980's. It was bad news then, and is bad news today."
>
>Ok, two problems here.
>
>#1) the quotes above was presumably from a mil-veh post presumably posted
by
>John Seidts. This is NOT a public statement. This is a statement by one
>member of a private BS club to the rest of the people who happened to be
>standing close enough to hear him (figuratively speaking). This is not
>print or broadcast media, this is not a letter to the editor, this is a
>private club.
>
> #2) Again I point out (as I have made this statement in the past) that
>this list, as well as all listervs and usenet, are for the benifit of the
>participants only. I am bothered by the MVPA eavsdropping in on our little
>round table chit chat, recording said chit chat, then using it against
>someone or more people when they do not nor have they ever PARTICIPATED in
>what is going on here.
>
>I'm an old man, internet speaking (1985), and maybe my opintions are
tainted
>by many years of involvement with usenet, listservs. email, etc. Maybe you
>young'ns don't see the problem or aren't bothered by it, if your not, maybe
>you need to think about what the 'old world' equivelant to the internet and
>everything that goes on withinit are. A listserv, like mil-veh, is a bunch
>of people standing around in the parking lot of a car show shooting the
>breese in various little groupies about whatever topic comes up, related to
>military vehicles. Nobody is stating anything for the record, there are no
>reporters or cameras, nobody is making official statements, it's just talk.
>Some of it's true, some isn't, some of it is opinion and some is fact, some
>people are happy about it, some get angry, but it's just talk. That is all.
>
>je
>
>
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